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Understanding electricity in the TPU.

Started by wattsup, October 18, 2009, 12:28:42 PM

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Rosphere

Quote from: wattsup on May 20, 2010, 01:10:18 PM

If you are pulsing a coil, there is no blotch wall movement and there is no north and south able to
stretch from one portion of the coil to two portions since it is only one coil, it is just conventional
coil pulsing. Expanding and imploding a field but always at the same position over or under or beside
a pick up coil, trigger coil, feed back coil, etc, is not new.


Not new to you, perhaps.  New to others, definitely.  Especially to those of us that went the BSME
route because we failed to enjoy the concept of i = SQRT(-1)!

It is a fun learning circuit for folks like us.  Until I made several of them myself, with several
different reused parts, I assumed that a ferrite toroid was necessary.  Then crowclaw posted his air
coils.  I quickly replicated it, it worked, it cost nothing, and I learned something.

Then, by moving the air coils away from one another and then arranging them orthogonal to one
another, I learned that magnetic coupling of the collector-coil and the base-coil was not
necessary... and the other points I mentioned above.

So, instead of thinking about the JT as something to do with cores or coils, I am starting to see it
also as a branching of the positive charge carrier, (wire.)

One battery, two coils, & one NPN; four components and we have a simple {and possibly
self-resonating} arrangement for further testing and abuse.

It is a good conceptual exercise.  Instead of fearing the transistor, I see it as a switch controlled
by a wire, as in the JT circuit to make useful voltage pulses from one small battery.

When I get some time, I might attach two or more independent JT circuits to my air core stacks.
I'm thinking about it.

I might even try two NPN's in series with various 'delays' between them... pulse shaping?  Old hat to
you, I suppose.

More later, got to go now.


wattsup

Quote from: giantkiller on May 20, 2010, 05:17:29 PM
So keeping this thing simple which would equate to small then that points to all the deceiving additions on all the units. I now digress: SM's explanations would simply be poetic license under an NDA. We can see the dance he does.

There are no failures. Only opportunities to learn.

It is tempting I know. I had prepared a long post on that but never posted it because I want to think there is more to this then what I already know and had shown just with the toroid or the outer rings.

Here is the outer coil wrapped

@Rosphere

Just saw you post so will read it tonight after the Hockey Game.
Montreal 2 - Philly 0

giantkiller

I can say that I had 2 basic setups for all my configs. The most precise way was with Jason's SSR boards and controller with software. This allows access to the effect through precise control. The other way is mosfets clipped to a heat sink driven by 555s. Both ways produce but the loose fets way can be twisted up into the circut to cause horrendous noise and chatter. The gate leads are long.  ;) The SSR boards are finely designed to keep the noise out thereby not having the gate affected except by the control signal.

The secret is the gate being affected. This is the simple answer to all the other ways to get the coils to snap into some kind of non standard action.

In one test I injected 43khz and the coils sang at 5-12mghz. This setup used the loose fets.

Mk1

@wattsup

I bet you could pulse your open end circuit with a joule thief diode at the collector you will get 16 volts in micro amps you need . You adjust the freq with a pot at the base or make a tuned tank from the base coil and cap.

If the freq is not high enough us a magnet on the core .

Bloch what ever just change the winding direction at mid point in the coil ...

Any way that is how i would do it , and most likely will .

I however don't think that the middle of a magnet is equal having 2 magnet force , unless it is a special magnet like the ones in hard drives that are actually two magnets stuck together .


Big win last night , here in HABStown people are nut if they win the flyer's series its gonna go up in smoke , and we are not even at the cup .

Mark

I have learn so much for the simple jt , no 555 when you have one don't forget to count it the energy need of the device.


forest

Quote from: Mk1 on May 21, 2010, 07:18:20 AM
@wattsup

I bet you could pulse your open end circuit with a joule thief diode at the collector you will get 16 volts in micro amps you need . You adjust the freq with a pot at the base or make a tuned tank from the base coil and cap.

If the freq is not high enough us a magnet on the core .

Bloch what ever just change the winding direction at mid point in the coil ...

Any way that is how i would do it , and most likely will .

I however don't think that the middle of a magnet is equal having 2 magnet force , unless it is a special magnet like the ones in hard drives that are actually two magnets stuck together .


Big win last night , here in HABStown people are nut if they win the flyer's series its gonna go up in smoke , and we are not even at the cup .

Mark

I have learn so much for the simple jt , no 555 when you have one don't forget to count it the energy need of the device.

Shifting between those embodiments from those two pictures is what I would do.A wall in the middle which once is there and then disapears...