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Understanding electricity in the TPU.

Started by wattsup, October 18, 2009, 12:28:42 PM

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Quote from: giantkiller on November 28, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
@Gobaga,
A different way to say what Wattsup & Sparks stated:
Same thing if you beat a bell with a rubber hose you get nothing no matter how many times you do it. But if you use a harder object (shorter pulse) and time it just right (frequency/resonance) you could topple a bridge with a ball peen hammer, a pinball flipper coil or a pinball free game knocker.
Now I have to find the wire length for next coil that matches 38.5khz at 1/4 wave length. Resonance keeps the field extended while we push on it in another way. You cut the flux connection completely off, modulate the field perimeter, or modulate the field interior like Tesla modulating the ionosphere dielectric with the Wardenclyffe tower. But you have to communicate with the medium in a way that excites it and matches what your process needs to match the output desired. Then we can 'Pump It Up'. The bigger the field the more we have to play with. Resonance helps us get there with lower power consumption. Look at the TPU this way and you see the hidden secret. 8)
Grumpy stated that if you force resonance with an LC tank with torque the E & B field out are of phase with each other. This adds extra return. Natural resonance returns them in phase so you get less. This was the answer I got when I asked about how the Poytning vectors looked.
The initial shockwave extends far greater then the conduction field from the initial current. The Earth's magnetic field responds to this. Otherwise you are trying to hold water with a screen.

Giantkiller

We are close. Check what I and winsonali posted on this thread : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7987.460

Now backing to child on swing we can give him a ball at correct moments and this ball can be throw away at 1/4 of period of oscillation using no energy.We have gain even.When ball is thrown away child is pushed back a little so amplitude of oscillation is a bit raised. All we need to make is to periodically give ball to the child. Movement of this ball is basically unidirectional yet ball may be in swing action for a while.
Then if ball is thrown gravity pull it back to ground.This is what we need to tune into.

In electrical terms : we need to push ambient electrons across secondary "pump" so they will ride like a nuts from secondary ends. Then we will have inrush kick or radiant effect which we need to tune into.
Don Smith method.

poynt99

Well GK,

That's way off the statement SM made about the interaction with the EMF and electrons in the wire. He was clearly referring to the actual Lorentz Force experienced by and manifested in the wire.

This IS precisely what happens when the filament juice in a vacuum tube is turned ON, and is also what SM is referring to when the TPU is pulsed. The TPU experiences a series of pulsating movements, so tiny that they are only perceptible as a slight vibration. I take the gyro effect with a grain of salt, as that is most likely just a change in the effect due to the varying pitch of the TPU as it is freely rotated in the air by hand.

Now, how SM equates this to OU is a good question. I think it's obvious that there is a large gap of information linking this basic phenomenon, and the actual production of OU.

I think this "kick" as SM called it is simply a symptom (and is not mystical in itself)  of the starter process which is used to propel the device to it's full mode of operation.

It goes without saying that making the connection between the Lorentz Force kick and the final production of OU is the challenge.

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Gobaga

Quote from: giantkiller on November 28, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
@Gobaga,
A different way to say what Wattsup & Sparks stated:
Same thing if you beat a bell with a rubber hose you get nothing no matter how many times you do it. But if you use a harder object (shorter pulse) and time it just right (frequency/resonance) you could topple a bridge with a ball peen hammer, a pinball flipper coil or a pinball free game knocker.
Now I have to find the wire length for next coil that matches 38.5khz at 1/4 wave length. Resonance keeps the field extended while we push on it in another way. You cut the flux connection completely off, modulate the field perimeter, or modulate the field interior like Tesla modulating the ionosphere dielectric with the Wardenclyffe tower. But you have to communicate with the medium in a way that excites it and matches what your process needs to match the output desired. Then we can 'Pump It Up'. The bigger the field the more we have to play with. Resonance helps us get there with lower power consumption. Look at the TPU this way and you see the hidden secret. 8)
Grumpy stated that if you force resonance with an LC tank with torque the E & B field out are of phase with each other. This adds extra return. Natural resonance returns them in phase so you get less. This was the answer I got when I asked about how the Poytning vectors looked.
The initial shockwave extends far greater then the conduction field from the initial current. The Earth's magnetic field responds to this. Otherwise you are trying to hold water with a screen.

Resonance?   

Resonance is two things: a slow build up of energy, and a repeating pattern (standing wave)

How does that have anything to do with the earth's magnetic field?

Did Steven mean that this extra energy only occurs in certain circuits or conditions?  If so, then it could take forever to find a circuit that makes this little bit of extra energy.  Has anyone looked at the circuits for tubes that Steven mentioned in association with the extra energy.


sparks

  If the near field of the tpu is pumped up to a considerable size would it be possible for capture of low frequency wave energy.  The nearfield of the tpu enlarged to the point that it is able to capture low frequency scaler wave energy. The sperm whale has a very large oil filled ear.  Around this ear are placed sensors responding to different protions of the scource pressure waves as they effect the liquid at different times.  The whales brain is able to tell from which direction the longitudinal wave is coming from as it progresses through the liquid as well as the distance due to the strength of the signal.
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Gobaga

Quote from: sparks on November 29, 2009, 08:16:11 AM
  If the near field of the tpu is pumped up to a considerable size would it be possible for capture of low frequency wave energy.  The nearfield of the tpu enlarged to the point that it is able to capture low frequency scaler wave energy. The sperm whale has a very large oil filled ear.  Around this ear are placed sensors responding to different protions of the scource pressure waves as they effect the liquid at different times.  The whales brain is able to tell from which direction the longitudinal wave is coming from as it progresses through the liquid as well as the distance due to the strength of the signal.

I feel like dankie when I say this, but there is just a bunch of blah blah blah in this thread.  A minute ago it was "resonance".  Now it's "scalar waves".