Hilden-Brand Magnet Motor

[hartiberlin]

Dingbat,
many thanks for the offer.

Jack will you take that offer ?

What we need here are real independant measurement verifications and videos of running things.
Maybe Dingbat can then post a video of his measurements at Jacks motor and also have a look at Jacks gravity wheel parts and maybe at a video of it, Jack might still have.
Thanks.

[Ergo]

Im not so sure anymore that Jack's so called overunity machines are for real.

I've seen photos online that include Jack and one of his motors, so the motors are real.

I've been reading all the posts of Jack at this forum and also at Emwiki, Peswiki and Keelynet.

What is the URL for Emwiki?

He has used a prony brake to test it.

It is possible to have overunity, without having enough overunity to drive a generator and produce a self-runner. There are losses involved when you generate electricity using a generator.

Even *slightly* overunity is useful, say in a motor driving an electric car, if the additional cost of the motor is outweighed by the cost of the batteries that you don't have to use.

By "for real" I didn't mean that he did not have any motors, just that they might not
be overunity....

Here's the link.
http://www.emwiki.info/Hilden-Brand_Magnet_Motor

Overunity without self running capacity is not really any useful.
His claims are 400% efficiency. Even if a generator hooked up to his motor is only
80% efficient then there are at least 380% left to feed to the motor.
If he just had, let's say 120% efficiency in his motors, then there might be a problem to create a self runner. Not otherwise.

The motor is not really suited as a car motor either due to the fact that it is very heavy compaired to conventional motors operating at 98% efficiencies.
An ordinary electric motor can deliver 5HP and it will not weigh more than 20 lbs.
His 5Hp motor weighs about 150 lbs.
It is heavy because it really needs a lot of silicon steel to minimize the saturating
effect at high flux fields. Standard electric motors don't need this much steel
because their coils are next to the magnets thus having a short flux path.
And nowadays there exist even more lightweight ironless motors to be used in cars.

[FredWalter]

The motor is not really suited as a car motor either due to the fact that it is very heavy compaired to conventional motors operating at 98% efficiencies. An ordinary electric motor can deliver 5HP and it will not weigh more than 20 lbs. His 5Hp motor weighs about 150 lbs.

We cannot really say whether or not it is suited as a car motor, until we know how much a 20hp motor would weigh, and how many batteries it would take to run the motor for 50 miles of driving. It is the combined (motor+batteries) weight that matters in the car. Having a heavier motor is ok, if it requires less batteries to get the same driving range.

For example, if a 20hp motor weighed 400 lbs, but only required 200 lbs of batteries to drive for 50 miles, then this is win over a conventional 20hp motor that requires 1200 lbs of batteries. (My weight estimates are ball-park figures.)

[corona]

Hi Jack,
Just thought you might be able to use a little tip I was told to protect yourself.

You can get a certain level of idea protection without a patent by writing up documentation such as you would for a patent, then posting it to yourself using the national mail system. This package is a copy of your idea that is time/date stamped in a method the courts will recognise.
Then keep the unopened package somewhere safe until such a time as you need to prove your ownership of the idea.

The other way is to simply post plans somewhere public, or many places public, in a large enough way that no one can deny that it's yours. This is obviously what the likes of myself would like because I would love to make a replication to prove you. I'm sorry but I don't have money to send, I'm still a student struggling enough to support myself. What I do have however is full access to the factory where I work part time, at Floppy Sponge Automation (www.floppyspongeonline.com). We are a small engineering firm in Australia who specialises in small automated displays and equipment. I'm the electronics designer, all the electronic gizmo's on our products page are designed solely by me. My boss is an accomplished mechanical engineer (he's designed entire car chassis for race cars). We are both very interested in these technologies, although he's somewhat more sceptical than I am. The reason I'm saying all this is we have the means to produce devices like this, if I could build a demonstration model to prove to him that this works, my boss can get capital to build these professionally. We would be more than willing to go into some form of partnership with you to turn this into a viable marketable product. I'm also studying a degree in engineering and science, majoring in research and development, as such I have access to research laboratories at the uni I'm studying at. With a demonstration model I'd have no problem finding a lab that would sponsor a project looking into all the science behind the device, I would love to have my next research project focusing on a device like yours, and possibly later going into a phd on it. I know from experience that my universitie in australia are absolute sticklers on getting accurate assessments of ip ownerships, once you've got your mailed package of proof there would be no problem protecting your claim. I know my uni for instance has had plenty of joint patents in the past, where they will happily put up the funds for the patent organised by a phd student that gets filed under the names of all people involved, not just the uni.

I know there are a lot or arse holes out there that just want to steal ideas, hopefully you may believe it when I say I'm not one of them. I just want to design and build stuff, I'm actively building other replications of devices currently (main one being http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1988.280.html at the moment). I guess I've got no other proof of my integrity except that I'd love to help in any way I personally can. I know I haven't been active in this thread, but I've been watching it for a while, and have a lot of respect for your ideas. I urge you to have faith in this community as a whole, I believe there are more decent people on here than idiots.

Andrew

[Ergo]

For example, if a 20hp motor weighed 400 lbs, but only required 200 lbs of batteries to drive for 50 miles, then this is win over a conventional 20hp motor that requires 1200 lbs of batteries. (My weight estimates are ball-park figures.)

You are right, can't argue against that.
Let's just hope that Jack is truthful about his motors.
There's still lots of inconsistency in his story that needs to be explained.