New Methernitha video of their spiritual goals and life experiences

[Hel]

Steven,
I appreciate very much the fact that you actually put your hands in the dirt
and published all your experiments. I love your work.
I understand that all your work done with disks, capacitors, diodes, electrets,
magnets, oscilloscope ending up in substantially nothing perhaps has deluded and
demotivated you to the point that you're now searching for other explanations beyond
(more or less plain) electrostatics/electromagnetism.

I see you're also working on a vacuum energy theory. That's good. I'm also working
on a TOE, which is completely different from current ones. But it stays in my opinion
that I don't need it yet to understand how Testatika works!

As I told, I'm going to start my experiments as soon as my testbed is finished (I'm
still making the grid electrodes or antenna keys) - So perhaps I will end up the same
as you, after years of fruitless experiments with electrostatics, searching the principle
somewhere else - who knows ?

I frankly don't believe any ZPE or vacuum energy - please don't shot me anybody :-)))
But I believe in free energy. And I'm self convinced that the Testatika is the
only working FE device to date. Maybe this is my damn.

After reading various theories and experiences here and there, they made me
suspicious that electrostatics machines could really behave overunity. Why ?
No ZPE or fringe science here, simply because there may actually be some interaction
with charges in the air/environment. Maybe (almost ?) nobody ever noticed that
because of the unability to efficiently convert HV-LowCurrent to LV-HighCurrent,
and because they usually waste big amounts of energy radiating with spark gaps.

After all, speaking of radioactive stimulation, how could observing a forming
thunderstorm have suggested to Baumann the use of radioactivity for
creating energy ?? It's true that he's known for reporting lots of bullshit too
("an angel appeared and gave me illumination" etc.) but I still allow such
attracting sentences to a so strange and charismatic person.
I also noticed (from the english translation) what Luzi Cathomen told the
two guys in his workshop. Approximatively "you know old vinyl records...
well, we initially plaied with them, they make a lot of static... so we thought
it's an energy we could utililze... it's the same as they do at schools, a big clap,
that's all !" Well I read it out this way: A big handclap, good, nice, you made
a loud spark - or, in the case of translation issues, "clap" could just be the crack
sound of the spark. The same: we have wasted all the energy instead of letting
it flow slowly to make something useful.
Just a hint.

Once, Baumann told (approx.) "there're lots of random particles moving around... we just
have to sort and use them". Air is full of ions. We must search for any squilibrium
in nature and harvest its potential energy to convert in useful work.
We are used to greatly confined, enmassed disequilibriums: the mass of water in a
hydroelectrical lake, an heavy object falling, a strong charge stored in a battery
or capacitor, etc. But little, spreaded disequilibriums do exist also, it's just more
difficult to harvest them.
When I think to Testatika the following image comes to my mind. You're walking
thru a wood after a rain. Everything around you is dripping: branches and ferns
of trees, flowers, grass, everything bears a little amount of water slowly waiting
(if we ignore evaporation here) to reach the ground. That's a vast quantity of
potential energy but we don't see it because it's so spreaded, so diffused all around.
If you could imagine to take many, many little tubes, each one reaching a different
drop, and sort them in a denser, stronger flux of water, toward the ground, you
have then "mentally done the procedure".

So I definitely believe the Testatika is a "charge pump". As a heat pump, a little
work is done to collect an already existing and available free energy.

Marinov (still waiting to get his TWT books...) wrote in an article on the magazine
"Frigidaire" about the Testatika, that the very first apparatus Baumann ever built was
a kind of electrostatic pendulum (or single arm motor) moved by -and also self
recharging- an initially charged capactitor. I doubt he actually played with
radioactive crystals, at least in the beginning. He must have discovered something
"childish simple". Or at least, I want to believe so, perhaps because I'm not
depressed and demotivated yet by years of fruitless experiments with the
apparently mysterious electrostatics... 

[Steven Dufresne]

Hel,
Only briefly near the beginning did I think about the idea of collecting ions and electrons from the air but decided there was not enough energy in them to account for what the testatika does. I'll be delighted if you prove me wrong - success is what matters.

I've been talking ZPE (though I prefer the term vacuum energy) in the testatika group as far back as 2005 when I started there. My problem was the lack of a good physics model. I found that a year or two ago in the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) model ( http://wsminfo.org ) where the vacuum was not only filled with waves but that there were clearly defined interactions between particles and waves; so none of this random vacuum fluctuations. Kinda hard to engineer randomness. Only recently did I figure out how it might be used and then it took a break during the recent holidays to make me step away from testatika and start using the ideas. But, I just can't seem to get away from the testatika ( ) because my vacuum energy tapping design is extremely easily applied to the testatika. Here's a page I just added that points this out:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy/particle_creation_in_the_testatika.htm
It kinda makes sense that it would. I first heard of the idea of particle creation from the vacuum from Moray B. King's book "Quest for Zero Point Energy" in relation to the Hyde Generator, and I quickly started looking for how it might be happening in the testatika, and when WSM came along and I needed a configuration for magnetic field and electric field interaction, I subconsciously used what I knew which was something like the configuration of the testatika pots as a starting point. I guess other starting points were possible but I was too heavily indoctrinated.

I also noticed (from the english translation) what Luzi Cathomen told the
two guys in his workshop. Approximatively "you know old vinyl records...
well, we initially plaied with them, they make a lot of static... so we thought
it's an energy we could utililze... it's the same as they do at schools, a big clap,
that's all !" Well I read it out this way: A big handclap, good, nice, you made
a loud spark - or, in the case of translation issues, "clap" could just be the crack
sound of the spark. The same: we have wasted all the energy instead of letting
it flow slowly to make something useful.
Just a hint.

I had the same interpretation. He was talking about the spark. But given how Paul Baumann said they don't take charge from the disks, I felt he was saying the waste was in letting it arc and lose its high voltage instead of keeping it from arcing and using that high voltage to do something else that in turn would tap into something. But that's just my interpretation.

Once, Baumann told (approx.) "there're lots of random particles moving around... we just
have to sort and use them".

This can also be interpreted as the virtual parrticles of the vacuum in standard physics. I've seen David Hamel, who was as excentric and self-taught as Paul Baumann, take terms and ideas from standard physics and use them in his own way too. I guess we all do that to some extent - different models. Anyway, you could be right - who knows.

If you could imagine to take many, many little tubes, each one reaching a different
drop, and sort them in a denser, stronger flux of water, toward the ground, you
have then "mentally done the procedure".

I love this, the way you explain that phrase "metally done the procedure" where I'm guessing you're refering to what Baumann said. Brilliant!

Or at least, I want to believe so, perhaps because I'm not
depressed and demotivated yet by years of fruitless experiments with the
apparently mysterious electrostatics... 

I hope that's not a reference to me. I love electrostatics. That's what WSM is based on. The electric field is fundamental, the magnetic field is a result for the electric field. If we'd only stuck with electrostatics instead of going with electromagnetic motors and burning electromagnetics into the brains of electrical engineers, we might have been using vacuum energy long ago. I am glad that I finally have a model I can do engineering with and do less guessing "what's in the pot". At least until the model approach doesn't work, then I'll probably switch back.

Anyway, the very best of luck and keep us posted of your work. The more dirty hands the better.

And in case anyone's curious about my vacuum energy to electrical energy conversion ideas, the top of the tree is at:
http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org

[hartiberlin]

Hi Hel,
please start with replicating the basic unit, that Bauman
showed to the 30 or so Swiss engineers and consists only out of
an arm and 2 stacks of electrets ( in my opinion lightly radioactive mountain crystals)
and see, if you can get the capacitor charged up with just a few
back and forth movements of the upper ?electret? arm.

If you can´t do this, it makes not much sense at all to build
bigger units...
You first have to check and replicate the basic unit.

I guess these are highly charged electrets maybe also additionaly magnetized
that put the high voltage during the back and forth movement
onto the lightly radioactive mountain crystalls, which are then stimulated and will
release bigger Beta decay, which are captured via the mesh metals and will
then quickly charge up the capacitors.

But as long, as you don´t have the right mountain crystals, ( maybe glimmer with
a high Potassium K40 isotope content)
you will not get the effect.

Maybe Baumann was very "radiation sensitive" and could feel with his fingers the power
of these ?glimmer? crystal plates ?

Please let us know about your progress.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[Hel]

Steven,

Only briefly near the beginning did I think about the idea of collecting ions and electrons from the air but decided there was not enough energy in them to account for what the testatika does.

I usually don't like making calculus and using math. I'm quite reasoning like Baumann
did. I like to QUALIFY first, then QUANTIFY. Someody (F_Dyne IIRC ?) exstimated
some good KWs of ionization potential inside an average cubic meter of air. I dunno.
But the abstract idea of "pumping" electrons someway, ie making their path towards
positive charges easier with a little amount of work really intrigues me. This may
not suddently imply trying to sort them from the air as I suppose the Testatika does.
Just trying a path from ground to air or such. For example, I find very interesting
this theory (Woynar ?): http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=70.0.
Diodes would be needed for that. If so, where are diodes in the T machines ?
The top object has always been defined such. If it's a diode, it's a really unusual
one (sorry I don't understand a word, even translating with google, of all that
russian thread here which is apparently speaking of that component too.)
By logic, the wire wound magnets could theorically act as diodes, but it looks
that nobody currently accomplished to setup a rectifier that way.

http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/vacuum_energy/particle_creation_in_the_testatika.htm
It kinda makes sense that it would. I first heard of the idea of particle creation from the vacuum from Moray B. King's book "Quest for Zero Point Energy" in relation to the Hyde Generator, and I quickly started looking for how it might be happening in the testatika, and when WSM came along and I needed a configuration for magnetic field and electric field interaction, I subconsciously used what I knew which was something like the configuration of the testatika pots as a starting point. I guess other starting points were possible but I was too heavily indoctrinated.

I really should find the time to study deeply those you new pages. Sorry if I didn't
do yet. Without going in details here (OT) I briefly tell you that I don't believe in
any randomness. My TOE is strictly deterministic and assumes a discrete 3D space
where each cell just contains a link vector to one of six adjacent cells. The transforming
function (like in a cellular automation) operates on the six neighbouring cells only and
field propagation is rhomboedrical. A stable elementary matter structure is a "node",
an invariant configuration under the Tr Func effect, where vectors all points inside
a common center. Depending on how they're balanced, the particle may have a
different field polarization giving rise to gravitic field, EM field, linear momentum.
To make it short, it would appear that magnetic field doesn't exist as a separate
entity, it's just an effect of a moving electric field.

I had the same interpretation. He was talking about the spark. But given how Paul Baumann said they don't take charge from the disks, I felt he was saying the waste was in letting it arc and lose its high voltage instead of keeping it from arcing and using that high voltage to do something else that in turn would tap into something. But that's just my interpretation.

That affermation from Baumann is misleading. He could just mean that we can't
completely discharge the disks, just let the excess charge be taken by the electrodes.
But, if it's the case, just as corona discharge. It would also ionize air and help the
process of charge collecting. I played a lot with corona motors, and I can definitely
say that sparks are one thing, corona discharges are another thing. You don't
ear its slight fuzz unless there's perfect silence around. You don't see it unless you're in
the darkness. Ok, you smell ozone.

Otherwise, another theory is that there's definitely no charge transfer between the
disks and the rest of the apparatus. Just variable capacitance. Disk gets charged
by rotation (well, they should at least, even if I don't see how without tribo contact)
then capacitively induce an AC to the antenna keys. If it's the case, I agree with
you and others that the energy has then to be "amplified" somewhere.
But Luzi told "no, we don't need conversion, we already have DC, DC!"
I will try out every possibile combination, btw.

I love this, the way you explain that phrase "metally done the procedure" where I'm guessing you're refering to what Baumann said. Brilliant!

I guess it's almost what he meant. But... it's reported that he handled a magnet while
saying that. So things go more complicated. And we return back to the Linden
experiment. It's crazy, I can't manage to find an HS magnet to play with !!!! I will
have to buy it on the Internet...

I hope that's not a reference to me. I love electrostatics.

Yes but I can well understand how searching some interesting effects for long time
without any interesting results can lead to demotivation

That's what WSM is based on. The electric field is fundamental, the magnetic field is a result for the electric field.

Ok this sounds much like in my TOE...

Anyway, the very best of luck and keep us posted of your work. The more dirty hands the better.

Yes I have some useful observations, in particular on the 3KW machine. I hope to
post all the stuff in few weeks. I only would like to finish my testbed first.

However, and just to conclude... why also am I so doubtful that unknown phisics,
vacuum theory, ZPE, etc. etc. may be directly related to Testatika ? Simply because
I don't think Baumann made such theoretical research. He was mainly a clock maker,
a hand skilled and intuitive person. If he discovered some really unknown phisical
phenomenon, it was just by accident. Since I'm reasoning quite like him, and I
too don't have any academical background, I refuse official science, I have at least
the hope to fall in the same "accident"

[Steven Dufresne]

Hel,
Just one thing to add... I'm not sure if you're aware but if you have an electron beam, for example, and you move a magnet close to the beam, the beam will bend. Though you have to move the magnet, it doesn't actually do any work on the electrons, it just changes their direction. Once the magnet is there it will continue to redirect adinfinitum. You've probably seen me post about this in the testatika group but this might be useful in your attempt to make use of ions and free electrons in the air. So you use a certain amount of energy to redirect already moving ions or free electrons toward where you want them. The total energy of those redirected ions or free electrons can be greater than the energy you use to do the redirection. It's very much like a heat pump which uses mechanical energy to move matter containing heat energy but in this case you'd use electrical energy to move particles containing mechanical energy (?). The key, though, is they have to already be moving. That's the source of excess energy. If you have to do the work to make them move in the first place then you gain nothing.

Re F_dyne's stuff, I've tried in the past but I could never understand his principle - sorry F_dyne, if you're listening.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org
PS. It's scary how much the tone of your writing and your attitude in your approach to this problem sounds like mine. Like reading in a mirror.