Counter Rotating Coaxial Cylinder HPG

[broli]

gravityblock I know you are waiting for my opinion so here it is. I believe this is a very solid idea. Unless I made a basic mistake in my analysis this idea has every reason to work both as a backemf less motor and a backtorque less generator. I will use my time to analyze it more deeply and maybe make a 3d illustrations of the forces at play explaining the reason of operation. Congrats.

EDIT: I have to note a small correction. This idea seems to only create a no back torque generator. There is no motor action so far, however back torqueless is still a good thing. I will keep analyzing it further.

[gravityblock]

@broli:

Take your time in your analysis.

@exnihiloest:

Watch the helicopter video.  Around the 4 minute mark in the video you can see how the helicopter rotates on it's axis.  This is due to one prop spinning faster than the other prop.  When both props are counter rotating at the same speed, the helicopter doesn't rotate on it's axis because the torque of the outer prop cancels the torque of the inner prop and vice versa, thus the torque doesn't get transferred through the axle to the helicopter.

When one prop is rotating faster than the other prop, then the slower prop doesn't cancel all of the force from the faster prop and the helicopter will rotate on it's axis due to there being an unequal force that is transferred through the axle to the helicopter.  The same principal should apply to the counter force, as long as the counter rotating discs are rotating at the same speed then the counter forces should be canceled and not transferred through the axle.


GB

[onthecuttingedge2005]

http://www.visionhobbies.com/1637131.html

[broli]

GB,

I don't like to be the barer of bad news. But after careful scrutiny I discovered and unaccounted force. The left disc will have a back torque due to the right part of the magnet and the right disc will have a back torque due to the left side of the magnet. So far I have not been able to find a combination to cancel these out. If you like we can chat live on your place of choice.

Of course the ultimate confirmation is the experiment. All you do is check if it works like a motor, if it does then it means when it works as a generator it has a back torque.

[gravityblock]

broli,

I really appreciate you taking the time in considering this and trying different combinations.  Breaking a law of physics is going to require thinking outside the box in a major way.  I truly believe at this moment the counter force can be overcome by a mechanical design, but then other issues would probably crop up.  Solving one problem leads to another problem, lol.  What if we put a tail rotor on it by using another disc/magnet, is this possible?

Nature is the ultimate chess player, but one day somebody is going to make a move where nature can't win.  At this very moment, I am the most hopeful in this happening.  We have a little more knowledge now than we had prior to the pursuit of solving this puzzle, and this can be rewarding in and of itself.

Thanks again for looking into this,

GB