STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

captainpecan · January 12, 2010, 08:25:11 PM

Quote from: maw2432 on January 12, 2010, 08:20:49 PM
Captain, thanks. I think I am starting to understand, but I still do not understand how he is achieving this "no back emf." What is special about his coils and core material? Do they have any patents on their technology that explains it?

Bill

Now that's a question we all would like the answer to... Welcome aboard.. LOL!

k4zep · January 12, 2010, 08:32:34 PM

Quote from: captainpecan on January 12, 2010, 08:15:44 PM
Yes, I totally agree. I'm starting to understand it much better now. He also stated that the faster it goes, the more energy gain. This also makes since, as the total on time of each pulse decreases, there is less wasted energy to hold the field. While still getting the gain when it collapses over the amount it took to create it. It will be interesting to see how all this pans out, I wish I had an inductance meter!

I'm believing more and more that the Orbo really is an energizer more than a motor. Like the bedini monopole, the motion of the rotor is just a bonus, it was not meant for torque, it was meant to cause very sharp pulses to catch the collapsing field. Same thing seems to apply here. I do not think torque is important at all, I think it is just a bonus. I think Sean just wants it to spin as fast as possible to keep the pulses the shortest possible. I really dont think he cares if you can stop it with your finger or not. At least not at this stage.

Hi CP,

I do have an inductance meter and several things stand out. He has an almost 1 H choke there with those small coils, very high permeability! I have a core that switches a much larger swing than those coils right now. Just so much work to put it in motion!!!!
I think I understand how he cancels out his Back EMF,CEMF with his two coils. He back hand shows it in the other demo where he shows a 1 magnet N and S system with two bucking cores....... Same thing happens with correct orientation of two N/N magnets and one coil with large face to both magnets. Remember with two N magnets approaching a toroid, top side and bottom side, one is approaching a CW winding and one is going away with a CW winding, hence no CEMF!..... Then with this one coil on one side, and one coil on the other side one bucking BACK EMF of the other, they get canceled out too via the return loop through the power supply. BUT if you put a transformer between those two coils, you could take out the excess power created by the effect (with switching pulses at the right time)!!!!! I think that is basically it.

Ben

captainpecan · January 12, 2010, 09:07:10 PM

Quote from: k4zep on January 12, 2010, 08:32:34 PM
Hi CP,

I do have an inductance meter and several things stand out. He has an almost 1 H choke there with those small coils, very high permeability! I have a core that switches a much larger swing than those coils right now. Just so much work to put it in motion!!!!
I think I understand how he cancels out his Back EMF,CEMF with his two coils. He back hand shows it in the other demo where he shows a 1 magnet N and S system with two bucking cores....... Same thing happens with correct orientation of two N/N magnets and one coil with large face to both magnets. Remember with two N magnets approaching a toroid, top side and bottom side, one is approaching a CW winding and one is going away with a CW winding, hence no CEMF!..... Then with this one coil on one side, and one coil on the other side one bucking BACK EMF of the other, they get canceled out too via the return loop through the power supply. BUT if you put a transformer between those two coils, you could take out the excess power created by the effect (with switching pulses at the right time)!!!!! I think that is basically it.

Ben

That's pretty much exactly what I decided after watching these new demo's as to how he's getting rid of the back emf. I also think he is being really picky with his magnets too. They are measuring each one of their magnets with their gause guage, and making sure they align magnets in pairs with as close to identical fields as possible to cancel each other out properly. I have also been trying to figure a good way to more focus the field of each magnet more directly in front of the magnet instead of so spread out. This would make the inductance change happen in a more narrow width, thus decreasing the amount of time a pulse would have to be sustained, for the same results. Maybe wrapping the magnets with thin metal sheet, so as to draw some the stray fields in closer. Or orienting magnets inside the rotor sideways, point directly at 90 degrees the rotor magnets opposing them. This should force the field of the rotor magnets to be more focused forward and tighter. Not sure, still pondering on that one.

k4zep · January 12, 2010, 09:17:06 PM

Quote from: captainpecan on January 12, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
That's pretty much exactly what I decided after watching these new demo's as to how he's getting rid of the back emf. I also think he is being really picky with his magnets too. They are measuring each one of their magnets with their gause guage, and making sure they align magnets in pairs with as close to identical fields as possible to cancel each other out properly. I have also been trying to figure a good way to more focus the field of each magnet more directly in front of the magnet instead of so spread out. This would make the inductance change happen in a more narrow width, thus decreasing the amount of time a pulse would have to be sustained, for the same results. Maybe wrapping the magnets with thin metal sheet, so as to draw some the stray fields in closer. Not sure, still pondering on that one.

Hi CP,

IF you got serious in making a good generator, you would have to match magnets with a HE meter, you would have to match cores/coils with an inductance meter, you would have to have adjustable cores in two axis for best tracking or precision machining, matching output transformers to not introduce a phase shift in the output, VERY low loss switching, on and on and a very balanced rotor that flys! Hummmmmmm sounds like a hard drive designer could have a "field" day with this!!!!! With everything perfect, very small motor could drive to cause the inductance shift. Wow. He is probably right, we can build a demo unit but practically, will take a lot of precision and a lot of good electronics.

Imagine about 180 magnets in two rows, every two degrees, very small toroids, integrated switching chips, on and on, yes, it could be made to work.......In this form, certainly self powering and massive power output. But now I'm dreaming!!!!! I immediately see even a better way........almost a pure DC output!!! IF this effect is really real!!!!!

Ben

captainpecan · January 12, 2010, 09:36:43 PM

Has anyone tested with an inductance meter, using dual magnets? I would be interested to know if their is a big difference in the inductance when using two like poles compared to two opposite.

The scary part of this whole project is that you appear to be correct k4zep. It could be a nightmare to tweak to get one working correctly. I can see why Sean does not want to build these things, and just wants to lease the rights to it. But, it will be an interesting month to see what all Steorn has planned.