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Solid State Orbo System

Started by Groundloop, January 06, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

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wings

Quote from: gravityblock on March 03, 2010, 05:41:35 AM
If you round it up, then it is 13.8.  After reading the reference materials provided by Naudin on the magnetization-demagnetization of the core and the way this experiment is performed, I will have to agree the 13.8 is a good indicator of COP.  Next step is to close the loop.  ;D

GB
same man, Nikolay E. Zaev
THE DIRECT CONVERSION OF THE ENVIRONMENT TEMPERATURE INTO ELECTRICITY

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/nzaevncp.htm

mscoffman

Quote from: wings on March 03, 2010, 07:01:23 AM
same man, Nikolay E. Zaev
THE DIRECT CONVERSION OF THE ENVIRONMENT TEMPERATURE INTO ELECTRICITY

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/nzaevncp.htm

Some schematics in the above link show relay
contacts in the main power loop for switching...Please
don't do that.

:S:MarkSCoffman

gravityblock

Quote from: Airstriker on March 03, 2010, 08:44:59 AM
Actually I don't agree at all either with you and JLN also. Here is why:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8411.msg230946#msg230946

Do you guys agree with my statements ?

Did you read, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8597.0;attach=42563  and http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/images/inductive_conversion.pdf

He is measuring input versus output.  In Episode 7, the magnetization process represents the input power and the demagnetization process is the output power.  He has already showed in previous experiments that the pickup coil being loaded doesn't drop the voltage or the current of the input power, so Naudin's last experiment is the same as measuring the input power verses the output power indirectly.  You will find this experiment is really brilliant, if you study it.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

@Airstriker and all:

In ferromagnetic materials, the magnetization doesn't stop immediately after the pulse has ended.  Induction lags in ferromagnetic materials with quick changes in tension of the field.  This phenomenon is attributed to magnetic viscosity.  Using this lag allows the magnetic interactions to be decoupled from each other.  The excess energy is due to the heat generated during the demagnetization process.

Spontaneous magnetization in the area H=(1.2 + 1.4)Hc is a basis for COP>1 when demagnetization is due to heat.  The excess energy is not coming from the magnets, but is coming from the ferromagnetic materials.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

mondrasek

Quote from: gravityblock on March 03, 2010, 09:12:48 AM
In Episode 7, the magnetization process represents the input power and the demagnetization process is the output power.

I am okay with this method for measuring the demagnetization process.  But I am unsure if this method of measuring accurately reflects the input power during the magnetization process.  Is there anyway to verify this represented input power is correct using the other info from the experiment?  He says the input voltage is 4V.  I believe the Fluke scope shots show a duty cycle.  Toroidal coil RDC and Inductance are given.  What is the input power to the toroid from these values and does it agree with the power in the output coil for the magnetization process?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

M.