Solid State Orbo System

[lumen]

Well - I tuned the frequency to the L measured WITH the magnet attached.  I set up a parallel tank circuit.  Turns out when using a scope on the toroid inductor, its pretty easy to "eyeball" the right frequency watching the scope (using the initial measurement as a starting point of course).  When its resonating, its a nice and pretty sine wave, if you diverge higher or lower from optimal, its a nasty ugly thing of a signal.

Given that, the frequency I calculated prior to powering the circuit (again WITH the magnet) appears to be optimal.

I threw a pickup coil (not a great one) on my setup, and started pulling a small voltage/current, and noted that the sine wave on the scope didn't change, nor the current coming from the power supply - not exactly scientific, I was in a hurry - I'll try to get a more precise arrangement in the coming days and I'll make a video with the results.

Excellent! I was wondering how much the load would affect the input, that's why I was thinking of going right to the jugular, and placing it inside of a section of copper pipe to short any output with maximum load.
If indeed it does not change the resonate frequency, it would be amazing!

[gravityblock]

I don't accept Lee Valstad's opinion about his coil producing a true monopole.  I look at his coil being similar to a halbach array, where one pole is internal and the other pole is external. In the case of two toroidal coils intersecting in the same plane, one pole will be external and the other pole will be internal.

The center of the coil is where the external field emanates from and the opposite pole will be found in only very weak bands along the perimeter.  I wonder if we could wrap 1 turn of wire along the circumference of the toroids for each layer to cancel the weak pole.  This would mean having only one pole emanating from the center of the coil and the other pole would be contained inside. 

This would be similar to a halbach toroid array.  Maybe I should rename it to haSSgen so it would be more accepted for experimentation (the "ha" would refer to a Halbach array).  Has anyone here ever experimented with a Toroidal Halbach Array?  Let's not leave this stone unturned.

GB

[wattsup]

Well - I tuned the frequency to the L measured WITH the magnet attached.  I set up a parallel tank circuit.  Turns out when using a scope on the toroid inductor, its pretty easy to "eyeball" the right frequency watching the scope (using the initial measurement as a starting point of course).  When its resonating, its a nice and pretty sine wave, if you diverge higher or lower from optimal, its a nasty ugly thing of a signal.

Given that, the frequency I calculated prior to powering the circuit (again WITH the magnet) appears to be optimal.

I threw a pickup coil (not a great one) on my setup, and started pulling a small voltage/current, and noted that the sine wave on the scope didn't change, nor the current coming from the power supply - not exactly scientific, I was in a hurry - I'll try to get a more precise arrangement in the coming days and I'll make a video with the results.

@void109

This is where many go wrong in thinking that finding the nice overly stretched sine wave is the top of the world. But in reality, and more often then not, if you put an appropriate light bulb on the load, even if it only flickers slightly, you will soon realize that it is not happening at the stretched wave, but slightly off that, at the ugly wave where all the action happens.

[HarryV]

Of course. Nevertheless it is a question of magnetic field.
As already said, "the attractiveness", supposedly a bit reduced when the magnet moves away, is not distinguishable by measurements from a leakage flux pushing it. Then there is no reason to imagine a new phenomenon when conventional physics gives the right answer to a conventional phenomenon (Okkham razor).

Hi.
This is my first post here, although I've been posting on the Steorn forum for a few a weeks.
Your explanation sounds perfectly reasonable but it does not take into account that N and S poles are both facing the coil and equidistant from the coil, so there shouldn't be any net push (or pull) from flux leakage.

[HarryV]

I'm confused, I thought the leading conjecture that most in this and the other orbo thread agree on, is that pulsing the cores modifies the attractiveness that the permanent magnet experiences toward it.  A phrase I've seen thrown around alot is that "the toroid becomes invisible to the magnet".  While it seems that isnt the case, invisible, it seems obvious that the attraction is lessened.

If the attractiveness the magnet experiences toward the toroid is oscillating - it seems obvious that it would vibrate (however slightly).  It seems that you are disagreeing with this hypothesis that's been thrown around for months.  In this case, I suppose you could said the toroids magnetic field was acting on the magnet, but in a completely indirect manner, right?

Your first explanation is consistent with the way orbo is constructed, so stick with it.
The second might apply if only one N pole or one S pole was facing the coil. However since there are two opposite poles equidistant from the coil there can't be a net push on the magnets.