Magnet motor in Argentina

[Omnibus]

You?ve put it very mildly. If the device spins continuously on its own, without energy input from the outside, it will be a revolution in science of unknown proportions. Revolutions ins science, not to speak about revolutions of such proportions, would cause such profound changes in society which go well beyond anybody?s imagination.

if there is no energy coming from outside, where does the generated energy comes from?

This we will discuss later. Let?s first see a self-sustaining device. If indeed one can demonstrate a self-sustaining device this may mean the law of conservation of energy has exceptions. Then the question you ask will be irrelevant.

Recall that the law of conservation of energy hasn?t been always an unchallenged law ? it has taken 20 years to have Mayer publish his paper on concervation of energy against the fierce resistance of the science at that time.

[_GonZo_]

OK I just thought another way to look at the device.

just think and try to give me an answer:

What force move magnet M4 out of the ring?

If the answer is your hand: sorry but you are adding energy to the system so no overunity...

If the answer is the mechanical sistem of the device: sorry again, but the strength of the spring is the same or bigger that the repulsion it creates if not the magnet will move away from the ring...

Sorry I think I did the wrong question here, may be it is easyer to understand looking at the picture this question:

What force move magnet M5 out of the ring?

M5 is the next magnet, so to move M5 away you need a force bigger than the repulsion of M4, becasuse M5 spring force sholud be equal or bigger than M5 repulsion force.

And again we are with the same problem M4 and M5 are the same strength...

[Omnibus]

if there is no energy coming from outside, where does the generated energy comes from?

The energy comes from cooling down the magnets and thus colling down
the air around the magnets.
Just a another "second law" violation, nothing more.
It is a closed loop circle process, the light bulb running of the generator again
produces heat so heat is just going around in a circle,
in the motor it is extracted via the magnets from the air and the surrounding
and in the loads it is again fed back to the environment.

This is the optimal "green" energy cycle with no bad pollution.

This is something I?m not sure of. Even if we suppose that heat is turned into useful work more efficiently than we know now, that work would be much less than the work produced by the motor to light up a lamp. Don?t forget that even production of power on the order of 2 kW is being claimed.

If this indeed is a self-sustaining device it will demonstrate a violation of the first principle of thermodynamics, not of the second.

[hartiberlin]

@Gonzo:
The springs store the energy and feed it back!

Read this message several times and then it will hopefully
get clear to you:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,866.msg5593.html#msg5593

[hartiberlin]

This is something IÃ,’m not sure of. Even if we suppose that heat is turned into useful work more efficiently than we know now, that work would be much less than the work produced by the motor to light up a lamp. DonÃ,’t forget that even production of power on the order of 2 kW is being claimed.

If this indeed is a self-sustaining device it will demonstrate a violation of the first principle of thermodynamics, not of the second.

Hi Omnibus,
the first law is always correct, otherwise the universum
would have been collapsed.

It is really just a conversion of 2nd law energies, that means
heat is converted to mechanical energy and then into electrical energy
and in the load back to heat, so it is just a cycle of heat being used very
efficiently.
It is pretty simple, but the hard part is to convert heat to mechanical
energy on this efficient way.
There are other ways to convert heat to mechanical energy like in
this upper example with the flying vortex ring.
ALso tornados gain their huge mechanical energy by cooling down
the air around them via the vortex and extract this way their deadly
rotating energy.