Electrical igniter for gas engines A keystone to understanding by Magluvin

[Magluvin]

Was testing the circuit to see if we have some straight evidence that we have gotten more out than in.

In the pic below, we have the same circuit we have been dealing with, except the recycle diode will now exclude the original diode while recycling. It is a way of not having to go through 2 diodes at any time. ;]

Here if without the recycle diode, we charge the source cap to 1000v. then we just hold the switch at the bottom til the source is exhausted and the receiver gets 991.74v and the source was left with 8.26v. 

Hmm, I didnt see any loss here. hmmm. And being that we have verified that the sim is very good at predicting this circuit on the bench, we can rely on that.

Also while the switch is being held down, as the receiver cap reaches 500v, the source cap has also descended to 500v at the same time.

It is just plain logical that the 2 10uf caps when at 500v each, that those 2 caps each hold half of the energy of 1 10uf(source) at 1000v.

It has to be evident due to the exercise above. Otherwise when holding the circuit down till complete transfer, how could the receiver get 99% of the source and the source still have 1%. No heavy losses here.  Its not like we lost 50% along the way then gained it back. Very interesting. So we can fully say that when the 2 10uf caps are at 500v,  20uf 500v  = 10uf 1000v   in energy.


So now to the circuit below.  We cutoff the source when it is at 703v, we end up with 703v in the receiver.

So here we have a 20uf cap at 703v from  a 10uf cap at 1000v.

Thats just simple logic.  The 20uf cap at 703v has the same energy as a 10uf cap at 1406v !!!   

This is very conclusive.    =]  Do ya believe it?  ;]

Mags

[Magluvin]

Now the question is, can we charge a 10uf cap to 1000v or more, from a source cap 20uf at 713v ?   Been playing with that.

So far, I got 991v into a 10vuf cap from a 20uf 714v source cap.
The circuit needs to be different when increasing from a low voltage source to a higher voltage. It took a bit to get to 991v.  Ill put the circuit up tomorrow. It still needs work but I felt good about going through the couple stages and still down about 1% and improving.  That is pretty good imho. 

Again I post this quote from   http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng.html


"From the definition of voltage  as the energy per unit charge, one might expect that the energy stored on this ideal capacitor would be just QV. That is, all the work done on the charge in moving it from one plate to the other would appear as energy stored. But in fact, the expression above shows that just half of that work appears as energy stored in the capacitor. For a finite resistance, one can show that half of the energy supplied by the battery for the charging of the capacitor is dissipated as heat in the resistor, regardless of the size of the resistor"

Does this make any sense? What is right here? Anyone?  ;]  My devices on my bench have resistance. Yet why do we not see losses of 50% in "work" in my examples. Each conversion should have had 50% losses. So I supposedly lost 50%, then 50% of what was left. But in reality, Im only down 1% after 2 conversions.  Does this smell fishy?  Fishy fishy.



Mags

[Magluvin]

Ok   I got our 1000v + into a 10uf cap from 20uf at 713v.

I just used the same circuit but used a 20uf as the receiver.

I cutoff the source at 500.32v and got 500.93v in the receiver.
Now we put the 2 20uf caps in series and we get 10uf at 1001.25v 

So now we can be looped. With a bit of increase as we go. The cutoffs will need to be precise but all is feasible.

Im tired. 

Mags

[Magluvin]

Was thinking at work on this. It will be a tough bunch of switching to make this work on its own. One problem is we will be ending up with caps being combined that I cant see a way of decombining to recycle them into the circuit. 
But doing it all manually works, for showing that it can be done.

Im going to try some bifi coils next. I wont be able to run that on the sim, so it will just be experimental on the bench.

I also am going to try some igniter style circuits with some small changes.

This is all in hopes of being able to possibly get where we are without all the cap dividing and combining to get the results.

We have a foundation to work with and we know ways of taking advantage of the femf. 

I think we have come pretty far in the last couple weeks. I think I said last week we were close.  ;]

Be back later

Mags believes  ;]

[Tenbatsu]

For what it's worth I'm a believer too.

Keep up the good work Mags.