Muammer Yildiz Magnet Motor

[markdansie]

@domichi.if you realy want to experiment with karpen-type everlasting cell then you will need sheet of silver metal and nickel metal or sheet of iron metal and silver metal.the electrolyte is caustic soda solution.you can experiment to build a large pile series of these cells until you get large voltage/capacitance for a single l.e.d. or neon bulb.if you want to continuous power a single 1.5volt l.e.d. you will need to get voltage of cell up to about 8volts in series pile because of voltage drop of discharge curve.

1. So what is the mass loss (weight) to power output. Given the size of the cell you will probably need a set of scales accurate to 4 digits of a gram.
2. What is the longest time you have run?
3. What is the mass to power out put and how does this compare?


4. what is the cost of materials vs power output?


All important questions
Kind Regards

[profitis]

@markdansie..1)zero mass loss of electrode material if this is what you mean.zero correlation of coulomb passage through cell and dissolution of electrodes.2)many months of repeated shorting for few days followed by and measurement of voltage/current/time,always the same(sometimes higher or lower by 1 or 2 decimal points due to ambient temp fluctuation).3)depends on surface area of electrodes.ive seen a 3miliamp/1volt/second/for a few secs capacitance on a 1cm2 paperthin pair electrodes.im imagining what foam electrodes would do.4)depends on answer number 3 but its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:

[DomiChi]

its cheap materials.common stuff.hope this info helps(-:

In France Silver is not cheap, and I do not know if I can get sheet of it.
And if We have to change electrolythe it is no more everlasting. I can do the same with a car battery.
From the links that google gives me for karpen-type battery, It was not thin paper.

[profitis]

@domichi..scrap jewelry silver is about 4rands(0.4dollars u.s.)/gram here,quite cheap but you can also use nickel and iron pair instead of silver,but you must 1st etch nickel and iron in hydrochloric acid for few minutes until surface area rough,then rinse under tap THOROUGHLY,then soak in caustic soda solution overnight BEFORE you start measuring voltage because iron and nickel must passivate properly 1st.zero replacement of electrolyte is needed when cell is tight-sealed.you,l get about 0.3volt from passivated single cell.

[janardaron]

Glad to see constructive discussion has returned here. 
War-rhetoric has dominated this thread in too many pages. It's really a shame what both sides posted. Near to catastrophic those accusations. Such accusations and prejudices and other-country-hatings precede real wars.  >:(To a certain degree not even in comments to muslim blogs you find such anti-americanism/francism (eh, how to call that ).

@profitis: Is your research related to fuel electrolysis? Not that I think 2nd law is not definitely once and for ever unbreakable.

Do you know of these new kinds of energy storage? Cooled air - Aquion energy batteries - liquid heavy molten battery electrodes or Zinc-Air-fuel cells?

There is so much promising technology. And then one has to wonder if your way with relying on big companies to promote technology and innovation, no rather breakthroughs, isn't hindering progress because if there is no need for this technology and the companies get around without publishing or creating products of it -- then why not keep it for later centuries? Life-garant for companies?

Open source is the way that changes the world - and gives access for developing countries at same time -- not to talk of the benefit for peace as from chinese to irish and mexicans all try to drive this forward ... without open source we even had to pay for forum discussions .. omg.