Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

[vrand]

hello,
having seen, built, tested and whatever the cell is a good one but not dissimilar in efficiency of many other units you an build or purchase. The output of gas to power put in is similar to many cells. The design was originally referred to the Terro Cell although Bob had a similar one that preceded it. (I have been fortunate enough to have met Bob)
The trouble here is there in no overunity in the gas production. Its well within in laymans terms Faradays Law to what gas you can get out for power to put in.
As far as running a motor, many people have done this including Terro (lots of youtube video's) However here is where the maths comes in.
To run an ICE typically you need between 5 and 6 litres per minute per HP depending on the efficiency of the engine. There are many engines out there available commercially and you can check the figures your self. Here is where the problem is. Actually I will you do the math and show the calculation latter.
I am sure they can start the motor, run it for a while but they will never have it closed look continuous running. Especially if you take the battery out of the loop.
I encourage their work but nothing new here.
Mark

Hi,
The Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cells is due to Power Out > Power In:

- The 3 Anton cells produce produced 6 LPM, that fuels the 2.5 HP engine, while the engines 1000 watt electrical generator is powering the cells AND powering loads (see the videos on the home page).
- They have run the engine for hours being fueled just by the cells, while powering the cells, and using the exhaust heat to heat their office.
- They ran the loads test for only 40 sec. due to the engine rpm increasing, thus increasing the electrical gnerators voltage,  that would then damage the Anton cells power supply it was powering.

They are currently working to stabilize the engine RPM so it can run the loads for longer periods of time.

To date neither the Tero cell nor the Boyce 101 cell can self-run an engine on water and power a load that I am aware of.  Please show us a video, maybe I missed it.

The one key design difference between the Tero and Boyce cell, compared to the Anto cell, is the 1 mm plate spacing used on the Anton design.  Dr. Moray theories that at it is the < 1 mm spacing that produces more of the "charged water clusters" that taps into the ZPE for the extra energy to fuel engines (see my above posts).

Of course what is also needed is for other researchers to reproduce this experiment to verify the results.

Regards, Mike

[vrand]

hi

@vrand yes, the projekt is in work.

Hi sente,
Please keep us posted on your Anton project!

Yes, the Anton group has a discount for OU Forums members:
Google Translate:
http://www.overunity.de/index.php?topic=618

For USA or overseas researchers, they also offer to sell just the special 1 mm Viton spacer gasket set they have stamped out for their standard plate size, as the shipping costs for the stainless steel would be very expensive to ship. Researchers can now then have their SS plates made in-country and just add the spacers and bolted end plates to have their own Anton cell unit!

Regards, Mike R.

[Cloxxki]

So, to make these accessible for lesser technical people like me.
Is the awazing thing about the Anton cell that, say, 6 litres per minute of it's out put is able to run an engine, AND take out serious Wattage, beyond what is to be expected from a 6 litre a minute HHO supply? Please correct me when wrong.
Then, my logic would expect the output gas to be "different". If indeed so, this smells like a holy grail.

Any other experimenters on the forum running engines on similar HHO cells with minimal plate gaps?

If someone has a well tuned HHO engine, please send it over to the German crew to get more reliability! :-)

[Omnibus]

Undoubtedly, third party reproduction of the claims that the system in question is self-sustaining would be the best way to go. However, what would justify the expense if one is to buy the device from the claimants, with the intention to be such third party examiner, and then it turns out that it's a no go in terms of OU? Don't get me wrong, isn't that the aim of every scammer in the world, to wet the appetite of the wide-eyed enthusiasts, take the money and run. I feel intuitively that that may not be the case here but how do we erase any trace of doubt?

[mscoffman]

Undoubtedly, third party reproduction of the claims that the system in question is self-sustaining would be the best way to go. However, what would justify the expense if one is to buy the device from the claimants, with the intention to be such third party examiner, and then it turns out that it's a no go in terms of OU? Don't get me wrong, isn't that the aim
of every scammer in the world, to wet the appetite of the wide-eyed enthusiasts, take the money and run. I feel intuitively that that may
not be the case here but how do we erase any trace of doubt?

@Omnibus

Exactly;

Assuming the "heating value" of the gas from different electrolyser
is the same and vrand forces us to confront the possibility that they
may not be. The obvious way to test these things is by having two
units optimised for the same power levels be operating side by side
so that the amount of gas evolving could be compared. For example
by operating the same capacity electrolyser unit strictly on DC current
if injected AC is supposed to increase output. Have the other unit
be injected with an AC signal modulated in a way that doesn't increase
DC current but have evolved gas output increased. The amount of
gas is sensitive to room temperature and absolute pressure which
makes the side by side comparison necessary.

Electrolytic deposition was once used in electric meters so it must
be very accurate.

The other thing is to do is what these Anton folks have done so far...
incrementally show they can make their system approach self
running because it is almost as easy as faking it.

You know if you are injecting hydrogen into your auto engine,for
fuel economy then overunity may not be such a concern because
the mixed fuel solution probably works best. If you want to run your
ICE engine on water plasma the same probably holds true.

But if you are trying to build an overunity space heater, a self running
ICE engine generator or a self running fuel cell power unit then overunity
volume hydrogen is everything. A non-overunity system won't even show
you correct systems behavior. Very few people probably want to build
one of these systems for the feeling of technical achievement alone.

Can they make their system approach overuity?...
I guess only time will tell.

:S:MarkSCoffman