Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[Koen1]

Now i read some document that says that he uses "common cemicals and water to make a rock soup witch when solidified allowes the drawing of electrical energy". So water might be another component. Is he mixing quartz, gypsum and water? 

I don't think so... Have you tried it? Seems simple enough to test.
Anyone can throw speculative suggestions around, but if you don't really test your ideas it remains speculation...

[fot]

koen1 , whats a good power source for "charging" the battery when it cools? it should have a high voltage but what shall the amps be you think? can you use a car battery or a battery charger or something? 

[Koen1]

Fot, I think the high voltage is more important than the amperage here.
As you have probably seen on the Hutchison "Invent This" video, he presses the hV leads onto the cells electrodes using only his fingers.
I would say that is high Voltage low amperage as everyone knows the higher the amps the more nasty the effects on living tissue.
Also it seems to me he uses the high voltage to induce an electrostatic seperation of various particles in the mix, while it is solidifying. For that you need voltage rather than amperage.

So I would assume a good high voltage source is all you need. A nice VandeGraaff generator might well work. Or you might be able to use one of the transformers used in cathode-tube monitors or tvs, they usually produce good hV too.
A car battery is probably way too low voltage, and I don't know what charger you were thinking of, but certain chargers produce hV high amp spikes and that might just not be desirable for achieving the elecrostatic seperation... But it might also work, so it never hurts to try eh 

Kind regards,
Koen

[jeanna]

so perhaps its some sort of metal powder he mixes in the solution?
but then how do you get a crystal structure from just a 500 c ? he cant melt stone or metal on that.

this feels like alchemy and the search to make gold. 

Hi guys,
I've been at the earth battery thread and I was looking for more input and ran across this thread.

Check out   www.geopolymers.org  It may give some good information especially about how to make rocks from pulverized rock dust.

Definitely dirt cheap!!!

Then I would like to know how to energize it as it hardens. Do I need to make an electrostatic generator?

jeanna

[ian middleton]

Hi Guys, it's my first time here. I've been following this thread for quite awhile with great interest.
I have been experimenting with crystal cells for many years and had some success,( if you can call 20mV a success).
Like most of you here I have studied the same videos on John Hutchison and with respect to the one where you see him crushing
rocks and mixing them with white powder this was a mere demo of the proceedure.

Obviously he was showing us the crude basic steps not the exact method. Those rocks needed a lot more pounding.
Also I noticed a long time ago that there was no way in the world was he going to achieve a temperature above 250 - 300 degrees C
with his open air electric stove. I've tried it. If you build a kiln around it with fire bricks to prevent the surrounding air from cooling it,
you can get the temp up to about 365 0C. Then the thing is glowing red. Also you see him place a plastic lid on his "shake and bake" container. In practice you would not do this, it would be the first thing to melt.

As for the voltage he uses and where to apply them , again a crude demo. Any voltage above 40V and you get a tingling in your fingers. For the size of container he was showing us (2.5 - 3 cm diameter) you would need a polarizing voltage of at least 200VDC.
you do not hold that with your fingers.

Also he mentioned the minerals had to be treated in some way. Does he mean treated before they go into the mix or as part of the
baking process? I am certain that the white powder you see him use in the mix is a combination of two or more ingredients.
These chemicals also need to have melting points below 300 0C.

Common cheap ,easy to get hold of, chemicals I am using at the moment are:

Borax  Na2B4o7(10H2O)
Caustic Soda   NaOH
Aluminium Sulphate   ( Alum)
Calcium Sulphate  (gypsom)

And of course the silicates of your choice.

Borax reduces the melting point of many substances and is used as a flux and produces a hard glassy lump when cooled.
Ideal for holding micro crystals in place when polarized. It is not a good conductor of electricty so you'll have to throw in a carrier
substance, one that does have free electrons available, so they will move under the influence of the polarized crystal charges.

The problem I am having trouble with is the caustic soda. It is needed to perform a chemical reaction with the quartz.
When SiO2 is reacted with caustic soda it produces Sodium Silicate. Na4O4Si ( theres those silicates again).
If reacted for a short while ie minutes, each quartz crystal gets a coating of sodium silicate. Sodium is a very good conductor of electricity.
So far I haven't been able to devise a way to neutralise the caustic action after baking. It creates a false voltage reading due to
electrolytice action and corrodes the electrodes.  Thats why I'm not ruling out Sodium Bicarbonte as a replacement.

Thats about as technical as I'll go for the moment. I am happy to share my results and formulas in the hope that other experimenters will do the same. Perhaps someone will come up with something I may have missed and find a better way.

The experiments continue.

I hope I haven't bored you with all of this.

All the best   Ian