FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[konehead]

go to hell mile too high I dont need your pathetic approval and stinky analysis nor do I want it

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

The technology that you use for the coil pulsing and energy collection is your choice.   The idea is to look at your system as a black box, with a mechanical power input on one end and an electrical output on the other end.

So there are two challenges associated with your system.  The first is to design the coil pulsing system itself.  The second is to design  the measuring systems for the input and the output.

Then, you make adjustments to your coil pulsing system, then do a test run and measure the input and the output.  You can iterate on that and try to perfect your system.

That's what I would do if I was in your shoes, and I would welcome both challenges.

As far as the coil shorting itself goes, what I think is happening is the following:  When you short the coil at the peak of the sine wave, the voltage across the coil goes to zero.  At that moment in time the coil is seeing a lot of changing flux from the passing magnet.  Therefore current starts to flow through the coil.  It will rise linearly from zero and start to flow through the MOSFET array.  You are getting Lenz drag on the rotor while the current is increasing.  When the switch opens, whatever energy now stored in the coil has to go somewhere, and that is into the capacitors or the coil starts self-resonating, whatever your design does.   However, let's examine the case where the coil charges a capacitor through a diode.

Two things will be happening at the same time when the coil starts charging the capacitor.  The first thing is what I just stated above, the stored energy in the coil due to the current flow will dump into the capacitor.  The second thing is that the moving rotor magnet will also charge the capacitor because there is still changing magnetic flux.  This second effect will also cause Lenz dag on the rotor.

The next step would be to verify that sequence of events on the scope.  Working on the bench is the bridge between theory and practical reality.  What I said would have to be verified, I could have made some mistakes.

With respect to the transfer of the energy, starting off with a discharged capacitor has some issues.  When you first start to charge the capacitor and it's at zero volts, it's a very low impedance.  For the first fraction of second it looks like zero ohms.  That means that there will be an impedance mismatch with the coil.  At the very start of the capacitor charging cycle, the initial power flowing through the coil will be burned off in the internal resistance of the coil itself.  As the capacitor voltage starts to climb, its instantaneous resistance will start to increase and as the power flows through the coil, less will be dissipated in the resistance of the coil itself, and more will be stored in the capacitor.

When I think about this, you can see a potential negative issue associated with going with very short pulses and discharging the capacitor for every single pulse.  Suppose a single pulse only charges the capacitor to 0.3 volts.  If you then discharge the capacitor for every pulse back to zero volts, then the capacitor always looks like a low impedance device (depends on the size of the capacitor also).   But you can imagine a scenario where short shorting pulses generate very small energy pulses from the coils.  These very small energy pulses from the coils are always hitting capacitors that are at zero volts.  In that scenario most of the mechanical energy extracted from the spinning rotor will be burnt off in the internal resistance of the coil itself instead of going into the capacitor.

Some issues for your consideration.

MileHigh

[konehead]

I am not reading your posts at all mr mile too-high so you are wasting your time I see your name and dont even glance at it.

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

Well then why don't you point me to a working Romerouk/Muller motor that is a self-runner that uses your coil shorting technique?  I am not aware of any in existence.  I think a lot of people had their hopes high for ZeroFossilFuel.  I just checked and the last clip that was posted related to his Romeruk build was eight months ago.

After all the talk, building, testing, measuring input and output, the real goal is results.  Can you link to any positive results associated with coil shorting experiments?

With respect to the discussions about the tech, whether it be Kehyo77's new design or your discussions about coil shorting techniques, the thing that you want to do is check your theories against what your scope is showing you.  A very useful technique is to construct a timing diagram based on your scope observations.  If you are good and you understand what you are doing, or you learn as you go along, you should be able to produce a timing diagram that shows exactly what happens with respect to the voltage and current signals of interest.  You can also add a derived signal to the timing diagram, the instantaneous power.  Then you can derive another signal from the instantaneous power.  You just have to integrate the instantaneous power signal with respect to time and you can derive an instantaneous energy signal.

That would be a great exercise, to plot the complete timing diagram for a coil shorting system.  Even if it ends up not being over unity, you still get the satisfaction of understanding your circuit inside-out.  That gives you an expanded knowledge base for tackling your next experiment.

I will repeat it again:  For analyzing pulse circuits, your two best friends are your scope and some graph paper for constructing your timing diagram.  If you really know what you are doing you can create a full energy audit trail for your experiment.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

I found a timing diagram for illustrative  purposes.  With your two scope channels you can often keep a "reference" signal on one channel and with your other scope probe poke around in your circuit and look at any signal you want.  With a little bit of effort you can then draw three, four, or five signals all referenced to the original "reference" signal.  That way you can understand cause and effect relationships between signals and get a "snapshot in time" of the entire sequence of events, from the coil shorting right through to the charging of the collector capacitors.

That's what the analysis of pulse circuits is all about.

MileHigh