Relative Permittivity of Water

[Torana]

ANY / ALL  Dictionaries ,  even microsoft works.
Dielectric =" not able to conduct direct electric current,and therefore useful as an insulator."

INSULATOR                                                               DIELECTRIC                   CONSTANT   
HV glass transmision line insulator                                 glass leyden jar                5 - 10
HV glazed ceramic/ porcelain trans-line insulator              ceramic cap                    5 - 7
mica stand offs / dividers                                            mica cap                         4.5-7
oil impregnated paper insulated cable                             paper cap                       2 - 2.6
AIR                                                                          Air cap                           1.0

Naudin and Aaron murakami used coated pipes.  The water is not the dielectric ,the water is now an isolated Resistance  , internal resistance.     murakami abandoned his .
Ive just had a look at Naudins video , never seen it before , dated june 2008.
.."high flow of gas "  ??  looks alot like decomposition ,only alot less than usual.
Naudin used distilled water and the surface is covered in brown sludge , a clear indication of a mini joe cell sludge fest all over again , does not look good .

A cell and a capacitor are 180 degrees opposite .
Dielectric breakdown , IF that is the aim , happens beyond the dielectric strength and in a HURRY.

**Relative permittivity of the insulator  coating ... = a dielectric = capacitive component of a capacitor = Xc ....,when frequency is applied or ... IF DC applied = open circuit .

The INVERSE is ;  No permittivity = NO dielectric = No capacitor = No Xc  ....

Non Conductor ,   Inverse = Conductor
Insulator  ,          Inverse = Conductor
Dielectric ,          Inverse = Conductor 
       

[minde4000]

Whatever you say man... I see no point to argue with you here.
Appereantly many of your "dictionaries" are wrong. Because dielectric is NOT the same as ohmic insulator.. altho all insulators have dielectric values but thats not the same as ohmic value.
It is the way it is and no dictionaries can change that.
I just wish you kept your personal theories to yourself.. so many others would not be misguided by reading your posts..

Minde

[Torana]

I havent put any personal theories forward ,everything is text book.
I refer to ANY/ALL dictionaries because of easy access , I cant expect people to read Electrical ,Electronics dictionaries ,glossaries + books because I know people by choice ..WONT.

Relative permittivity ,dielectric constant are not measured in OHMS , they never have been and I certainly have never said that.

Naudin ,Alex Petty + Steve provided R measurements ,  NOT ME.  Good for them , IM NOT knocking them - Why would I .

No dictionary states that dielectric constant is resistance.
Dielectric constant is fundamental to capacitor design and calculation.

Data sheets for caps , cable , semiconductors state the insulation R , 10,000 M ohm etc .material.

There is how ever only 1 person who stated the Dielectric constant is measured in OHMS....

I'll start next post with the numbers......... in a sec....

[Torana]

WFC tech brief Super F, The birth of new technology .

ALL data supplied by Stanley A Meyers 1995.  ****NOT ME****

*memo WFC420 =Natural water ( dielectric constant 78.54 @25c )      section/page  [ 1-1 ]
 
Fig 1 - 1 = V . I . C ( A-A ) ,  Natural water  ( dielectric liquid )                        [ 1-13 ]

*memo WEC422 DA = The dielectric properties (insulator to the flow of amps) of Natural water   (68) of fig (3-28) as to fig (3-26)(dielectric constant of water being 78.54@20c in 1-atm)[3-8]

-The established reso freq is most generally in the audio range from 1khz up to and beyond 10khz;and is dependent upon the amount of contaminates in Natural water                   [3-16]

*memo WFC426= The established Dielectric value of water (85) being78.54 OHMS          [7-3]
 
-rain water (850) being an liquid insulator that restricts the flow of amps.....a resistive liquid
(having an OHMIC value of 78.54 OHMS.)                                                               [7-4]

-The dielectric property of water (being 78.54 OHMS @ 25c )                                   [7-8]

-The dielectric property of water and its resistive value is typically (78.54 Q )             [7-11]

Fig 7-1 V.I.C Impedance network =Natural water ,dielectric liquid resistance.
Fig 7-4  Electrical charging effect = Dielectric liquid of water (85)  ?
Fig 7-15  Dielectric value of water 78.54 OHMS

*memo WEC 427  Water bath (85) is a Dielectric liquid (typically 78.54 OHMS )

*memo WFC 429  Fig 10-1  V.I.C ,water Dielectric value 78.54 OHMS   
PAY ATTENTION TO THE OHMS        ...next post.... 

[Torana]

Dielectric constant is fundamental and essential for ALL capacitor design and calculation .

IF ...the fundamental basis of Stan Meyers PR info is false then he alone has been misleading and misguiding people and his entire info is questionable.

This could have a wide effect on all Stan Meyer devotees and replications.