Relative Permittivity of Water

[Torana]

Personally I think Minde is absolutely Right.

1.  Since when is permittivity ohmic resistance ?

2.  Water permittivity is not the same as ohmic Resistance .

*** Since Stan Meyer said  " The Dielectric property of water being 78.54 OHMS @ 25 c  ."

*** ...."a resistive liquid ( having an OHMIC value of 78.54 OHMS )."

Surely I am not the only person who spotted this, its been there for 15 YEARS !!!

Everyone is going to rush off to check their stash of Stan info,  good on ya.

[Torana]

#4,936,961 Patent 1990

Stan Meyer refers to and quotes

1 ;Handbook of chem + physics ,68th ed ,CRC prss 1987-88 sect E-50 H2O  =dielectric constant

2 ;SAMS Modern dictionary of electronics, Rudolf Garff ,1984 Howard W. Sams +co pg859
   =charging choke

Theres no excuse to get it wrong when anyone can get it right.
NO dictionary or book is going to state dielectric constant as 78.54 OHMS.

All electrical and electronics dictionaries are similar enough in their content and descriptions
A charging choke is a series component / circuit.

If its a recurring TYPO then he  had 3 years to correct it =1995 to 98 . That leaves the possibility that the tech Brief is full of typos and IF thats the case then the Brief is an unreliable source.

I AM NOT KNOCKING STAN MEYER OR RESEARCHERS ,ITS A PERSONAL CHOICE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE AND NONE OF MY BUSSINES OR INTEREST .

     

[Torana]

WFC tech brief -1995 Stanley A Meyers.

(this is only SOME of the formulas that need replacement) (theres more..)

eq1; Zseries= Xc-Xl                          section -page [1-2]
eq5; Vt =IZ      OLUNS law                                    [1-2]     
eq6; VL= Vt Xl / Xl-Xc                                          [1-3]
eq7  Vc= Vt Xc/ Xl-Xc                                         

"restrict DC current flow beyond XL"                        [1-4]

eq9; Z=R1 + Z2 + Z3 + Re   "Total Resistance " ?       [1-4]
   " Re = dielectric constant of natural water "  ...a RESISTANCE ?

memo WFC 421 Spark ignition tube  "BUM rate "              [2-1]
                      gas ignition process  "BUM rate "  ? ? ? (Tariff )

Delrin material (72) is not factored into eq8 or eq9 ,But dielectric constant ...IS ?  ?  [3-11]

FIG 3-30 , 3-33 , 4-6 , = K shell has 6 electrons  .  Fig 5-12 has 8 electrons   ?      [3- 42]

eq 19  wa = LI sq / Z                          [7-6]
eq 21   C= .2249 e A / d E                    [7-8]
eq 9 Total  V I C "circuit resistance " to DC current flow . Z =R1 + Z2 + Z3 + Re         [7-10] 
       A choke coil of 11.6 K ohm ?  Re = water 78.54 Q ....a resistance ?

eq 24 Z = Xl - Xc  "in terms of component reactance , inductors (L11L2) should ALWAYS be larger than cap (ER) of fig 7-2 .......... OPPOSITE OF eq 1  ?                                                  (7-10)

The dielectric Value of water 78.54 inhibits amp leakage INTO the water bath ?  ?         [11-4]

**The tech brief is a bench mark for misinfo + misguidance ,so quoting it- is just as dodgy.
Again its a personal choice or belief if people want to follow it.

[kadora]

Hello everybody
I did simple experiment.I immersed two flat electrodes 60/60cm
into bucket full of tap water and then i connected 1V DC to
electrodes .After while i reconnected to electrodes LED diode and
diode lit for 15 sec.
I think this is prove that i had water capacitor.
Now my question.
What would happen if we have -say-ten simple water capacitors and charge them in parallel then by an switch to connect them to serial
circle.Would flow higher current through serial caps?

[Torana]

Ive done this experiment before and got the same results .
*Rain water , 100mm plates , 3mm spacing , LED = 5 - 10 secs.
I can confirm what your saying and what youve done , again it is a personal choice for anyone to call it a capacitor .

If diodes and LEDs are tested for capacitance you will get a reading.  (or any semiconductor)
LED = 12 - 17 pf
IN4007 = 27 pf
UF4007 = 42 pf

Are they capacitors ? 
Forward bias ,they conduct and reverse bias theyre an open circuit , just like a capacitor to DC.
Further investigation is up to you or anyone who does the same test , its easy and straight forward.