How does Perendev's motor work?

[jimhitt]

http://www.magtecenergy.com/index.aspx  This is Magtec's website, for anyone who is interested.  I have no connection to them, but they produce gasoline and diesel powered portable magnetic heaters for the construction and offshore oil drilling industries that range from 500,000 to 1,500,000 btu's.  They do not claim overunity for their devices which lease at prices starting @ $6500 per month.  I am unfortunately ignorant of quoted purchase prices.  They claim efficiencies of over 90%.  Perhaps they have purchased Reed's patent as his patent is now listed as abandoned and his name is listed in their patent application. 

Magtec does not produce an electrically powered model having only made one prototype for which they claim efficiencies of over 90 percent.  Perhaps the following will clarify the potential efficiency of electrically powered devices, as Troy Reed's name is now listed on Magtec's patent application, perhaps his original observation is worth noting.

The following is a quote from Troy Reed's original patent:

[0169] An apparatus in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention may be configured so as to produce extremely high efficiencies, in terms of the amount of heat generated compared to the energy input required. The following description is provided as an exemplary case.

[0170] In an embodiment of the claimed invention similar to that illustrated in FIG. 1, the drive mechanism 70 comprises an electric motor, supplied with 95 amperes of current at 220 volts. As is well known, power may be calculated according to the relation:

P=I.times.V Equation 1:

[0171] wherein:

[0172] P is the power in watts;

[0173] I is the current in amperes; and

[0174] V is the electrical potential in volts.

[0175] In accordance with Equation 1, the power supplied to the electric motor is 20,900 watts.

[0176] In the exemplary embodiment, the fluid driver 80 comprises an electric fan, supplied with 8 amperes of power at 220 volts. According to Equation 1, the power supplied to the fan is thus 1,760 watts.

[0177] Thus, the total power input into the system is 22,660 watts. For the sake of convenience, the input power may be converted to BTU/hr. 1 watt is equivalent to approximately 3.415 BTU/hr. Thus, the total power input into the exemplary embodiment is equivalent to 77,179 BTU/hr.

[0178] Total power output in the exemplary embodiment may be conveniently determined from the change in thermal energy of fluid as it passes through the system. In the exemplary embodiment, air is used as a fluid. The heat output of the system may be determined according to the known relation:

Q=q.times..rho..times.C.sub.p.times.(T.sub.O-T.sub.I) Equation 2:

[0179] wherein:

[0180] Q is the total heat output

[0181] q is the flow rate of air through the system

[0182] .rho. is the density of air

[0183] C.sub.p is the heat capacity of air

[0184] T.sub.O is the outlet temperature of the air

[0185] T.sub.I is the inlet temperature of the air

[0186] In the exemplary embodiment, the air flowing through the device is heated by 80.degree. F. Thus, the difference between the outlet and inlet temperatures of the air (T.sub.O-T.sub.I) is 80.degree. F.

[0187] The flow rate of air through the system in the exemplary embodiment is measured to be 3200 ft.sup.3/min. This may also be expressed as 192,000 ft.sup.3/hr.

[0188] The remaining values are known to reasonable accuracy. The density of air .rho. at standard temperature and pressure is known to be approximately 0.075 lbs/ft.sup.3. The heat capacity of air C.sub.p is known to be 0.24 BTU/lb-.degree. F.

[0189] Thus, according to Equation 2, the heat output of the exemplary embodiment is 276,480 BTU/hr.

[0190] The efficiency of an apparatus is commonly expressed in terms of the output divided by the input. The efficiency of the exemplary embodiment in generating heat may thus be expressed as (276,480 BTU/hr)/(77,179 BTU/hr), which reduces to a value of approximately 3.58, or 358% efficiency.  

[0191] It is noted that the preceding is exemplary only. An apparatus in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention is not limited to the particular devices, materials, or power inputs and outputs described in the preceding invention.

[0192] Furthermore, 358% efficiency is in particular exemplary only, and is not to be considered to be a maximum value, a minimum value, or even a preferred value. Apparatuses in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention may be constructed with a variety of operating efficiencies.

[0193] Thus, the total heat energy generated within the conductive member 40 exceeds the total energy applied to the apparatus 10. In the case described above, the ratio of heat generated to energy applied is 3.58 to one, i.e. an efficiency of 358%.

Of course as pointed out by previous posts, the patent office does not verify claims such as these.  And undoubtedly carbon fueled engines powering such devices are osmotically embued with etherial capabilities.  Measurement difficulties create an impossibility of accurate measurement calibration leading to such outlandish claims undoubtedly due to excessive enthusiasm, much like the Perendev claims.  These are of course equally doubtful and highly uncertain having no support from conventional authorities dead or living.  All magnetic motors violate the principle of conservation of energy and are thus not worth investigating.  Working models undoubtedly are all hoaxes waiting merely to be debunked.  Thank god and other mythical beings for the kindness and consideration shown by the senior members of this forum in gently guiding us toward more productive endeavor.

[Mem]

<<I have a friend of mine that he is currently likes to fabricate Perendev's magnetic motor.
(Extremely skilled machinist)
anyone interested in this please contact him.
Here is his website.http://atlantiansolutions.com/KelFab/magnetic_motor.htm
Mem.>>

[nievesoliveras]

@all

I did not want to say anything yet, but I am having a tremendous success!!!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg158838#msg158838

Jesus

[x743]

Jim,
I think this is dealing with a 3 phase motor. Not single phase like your formula. Amps/(Volts x 1.73)=VA

This gives you volt amps you then need to know the power factor to find watts.

Magtec should take the power wires going to the motor and run it straight to an electric water heater. Then you could throw away the motor, the VFD, the magnet thing, the bearings, and be at 100% EFF.

The whole trailer would be much lighter and more reliable.

http://www.magtecenergy.com/index.aspx  This is Magtec's website, for anyone who is interested.  I have no connection to them, but they produce gasoline and diesel powered portable magnetic heaters for the construction and offshore oil drilling industries that range from 500,000 to 1,500,000 btu's.  They do not claim overunity for their devices which lease at prices starting @ $6500 per month.  I am unfortunately ignorant of quoted purchase prices.  They claim efficiencies of over 90%.  Perhaps they have purchased Reed's patent as his patent is now listed as abandoned and his name is listed in their patent application. 

Magtec does not produce an electrically powered model having only made one prototype for which they claim efficiencies of over 90 percent.  Perhaps the following will clarify the potential efficiency of electrically powered devices, as Troy Reed's name is now listed on Magtec's patent application, perhaps his original observation is worth noting.

The following is a quote from Troy Reed's original patent:

[0169] An apparatus in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention may be configured so as to produce extremely high efficiencies, in terms of the amount of heat generated compared to the energy input required. The following description is provided as an exemplary case.

[0170] In an embodiment of the claimed invention similar to that illustrated in FIG. 1, the drive mechanism 70 comprises an electric motor, supplied with 95 amperes of current at 220 volts. As is well known, power may be calculated according to the relation:

P=I.times.V Equation 1:

[0171] wherein:

[0172] P is the power in watts;

[0173] I is the current in amperes; and

[0174] V is the electrical potential in volts.

[0175] In accordance with Equation 1, the power supplied to the electric motor is 20,900 watts.

[0176] In the exemplary embodiment, the fluid driver 80 comprises an electric fan, supplied with 8 amperes of power at 220 volts. According to Equation 1, the power supplied to the fan is thus 1,760 watts.

[0177] Thus, the total power input into the system is 22,660 watts. For the sake of convenience, the input power may be converted to BTU/hr. 1 watt is equivalent to approximately 3.415 BTU/hr. Thus, the total power input into the exemplary embodiment is equivalent to 77,179 BTU/hr.

[0178] Total power output in the exemplary embodiment may be conveniently determined from the change in thermal energy of fluid as it passes through the system. In the exemplary embodiment, air is used as a fluid. The heat output of the system may be determined according to the known relation:

Q=q.times..rho..times.C.sub.p.times.(T.sub.O-T.sub.I) Equation 2:

[0179] wherein:

[0180] Q is the total heat output

[0181] q is the flow rate of air through the system

[0182] .rho. is the density of air

[0183] C.sub.p is the heat capacity of air

[0184] T.sub.O is the outlet temperature of the air

[0185] T.sub.I is the inlet temperature of the air

[0186] In the exemplary embodiment, the air flowing through the device is heated by 80.degree. F. Thus, the difference between the outlet and inlet temperatures of the air (T.sub.O-T.sub.I) is 80.degree. F.

[0187] The flow rate of air through the system in the exemplary embodiment is measured to be 3200 ft.sup.3/min. This may also be expressed as 192,000 ft.sup.3/hr.

[0188] The remaining values are known to reasonable accuracy. The density of air .rho. at standard temperature and pressure is known to be approximately 0.075 lbs/ft.sup.3. The heat capacity of air C.sub.p is known to be 0.24 BTU/lb-.degree. F.

[0189] Thus, according to Equation 2, the heat output of the exemplary embodiment is 276,480 BTU/hr.

[0190] The efficiency of an apparatus is commonly expressed in terms of the output divided by the input. The efficiency of the exemplary embodiment in generating heat may thus be expressed as (276,480 BTU/hr)/(77,179 BTU/hr), which reduces to a value of approximately 3.58, or 358% efficiency.  

[0191] It is noted that the preceding is exemplary only. An apparatus in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention is not limited to the particular devices, materials, or power inputs and outputs described in the preceding invention.

[0192] Furthermore, 358% efficiency is in particular exemplary only, and is not to be considered to be a maximum value, a minimum value, or even a preferred value. Apparatuses in accordance with the principles of the claimed invention may be constructed with a variety of operating efficiencies.

[0193] Thus, the total heat energy generated within the conductive member 40 exceeds the total energy applied to the apparatus 10. In the case described above, the ratio of heat generated to energy applied is 3.58 to one, i.e. an efficiency of 358%.

Of course as pointed out by previous posts, the patent office does not verify claims such as these.  And undoubtedly carbon fueled engines powering such devices are osmotically embued with etherial capabilities.  Measurement difficulties create an impossibility of accurate measurement calibration leading to such outlandish claims undoubtedly due to excessive enthusiasm, much like the Perendev claims.  These are of course equally doubtful and highly uncertain having no support from conventional authorities dead or living.  All magnetic motors violate the principle of conservation of energy and are thus not worth investigating.  Working models undoubtedly are all hoaxes waiting merely to be debunked.  Thank god and other mythical beings for the kindness and consideration shown by the senior members of this forum in gently guiding us toward more productive endeavor.

[jimhitt]

Jim,
I think this is dealing with a 3 phase motor. Not single phase like your formula. Amps/(Volts x 1.73)=VA

This gives you volt amps you then need to know the power factor to find watts.

Magtec should take the power wires going to the motor and run it straight to an electric water heater. Then you could throw away the motor, the VFD, the magnet thing, the bearings, and be at 100% EFF.

The whole trailer would be much lighter and more reliable.

Interesting that your only respose is to criticize the math based upon what you "think" the was used to power their heater.  No one cares what you "think".  We are only concerned with facts in this forum which we attack with gleeful abandon. As noted earlier, all overunity is a function of measurement errors.  It is so wonderful that you weighed in with yours.