batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2

[ibpointless2]

I've been studying aluminum for some time now and found some interesting things about it.

Aluminum will create a oxide layer on it as soon as it touches the the air (oxygen). So the Aluminum I use in my cells have the oxide layer on it already. Aluminum without the oxide layer when placed in water will actually boil the water releasing hydrogen. Here's a video of pure aluminum touching the water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTMScbIMnfw

So the oxide layer on my cells plates are a good thing. So all the aluminum we mess with is already rusted over.

Also the aluminum oxide is insoluble in water under normal conditions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide

So the idea of cells plates reacting with the oxygen to make electricity is hard to confirm. You see the aluminum has already acted to the oxygen in the air instantly and if it didn't then when you put the aluminum in the water it would start to boil the water. So once its rusted over you can't rust anymore so how can it be reacting the the air when theres nothing left for it to react with. Plus the aluminum oxide that forms doesn't dissolve in the water so the water isn't removing the oxide layer.

But like I said before the killer proof that it might not be the air reacting with the aluminum to make the voltage is the fact that Graphite works as well and its not a metal that can form oxide.

I am will to accept the idea of the idea of the air is reacting to the cell to make the voltage that we see so long as some one can point me to some website that states that this is the reason. As of yet no one has shown me proof and I've been searching for that website and i can't find it.

Even if these cell use the air to make the voltage they're still something to cool to play with, and make a very eco friendly battery too!

[ibpointless2]

I've been having a hard time putting these cells in series. Having these cells in series are very important to me because once they're in series I can power things like LED's. I believe that people don't care about these cells because they can't power anything yet. When you try to put these cell in series they start to act crazy, change polarities and its hard to raise the total voltage. It seem like these cell like to be alone and thats where they perform the best.

So I'm going to start playing by the cells game, I'm going to let them be alone but i'm also going to have them power a LED too. I'm going to have each cell charge a capacitor and hook those capacitors in series and then I'll have a LED light up due to the energy coming from the same metal water battery.

I'm happy to report that the cells can charge a capacitor. I'm charging a 22,000uf capacitor now and its charging nicely but slowly. I will power a LED!

[Pirate88179]

I've been having a hard time putting these cells in series. Having these cells in series are very important to me because once they're in series I can power things like LED's. I believe that people don't care about these cells because they can't power anything yet. When you try to put these cell in series they start to act crazy, change polarities and its hard to raise the total voltage. It seem like these cell like to be alone and thats where they perform the best.

So I'm going to start playing by the cells game, I'm going to let them be alone but i'm also going to have them power a LED too. I'm going to have each cell charge a capacitor and hook those capacitors in series and then I'll have a LED light up due to the energy coming from the same metal water battery.

I'm happy to report that the cells can charge a capacitor. I'm charging a 22,000uf capacitor now and its charging nicely but slowly. I will power a LED!

Try a small supercap, say about 10 Farads, and then use that to run a joule thief and you will be able to light many leds from your batteries.

Bill

[ibpointless2]

I have stated before that barely having one plate or wire touching the water gives better voltage and this is true but this could lead people to think that the size of plates determines the voltage. Having one plate barely touching the water makes people think that if one plate is smaller than the other I'll get more voltage and this is not true. I have a picture below showing that even though I used a bigger plate in the water I still didn't get as much voltage as I do from cells that have smaller plates.

This now raises another idea on how to increase the voltage. Having one plate more exposed to the air than the other plate might increase the voltage. The more the plate is exposed to the air the more it can react with the oxygen to give or take electrons to make the electricity that we see. Through testing this is not the case, but does help to solve one mystery. The voltage does not increase when one plate is more exposed to the air than the other but it does show that the plate that is exposed to the air more is the positive plate. Another picture will be placed below to show what I mean. So if the cell was getting its power from the reaction to the oxygen in the air then increasing the surface area of one plate so that it is more exposed to the air should increase the voltage because more electrons can be given up but this doesn't happen and still produces less power than one of the smaller plated cells.

So plate size in water and plate size in the air doesn't determine the voltage. But plate size does increase amps and helps to determine polarity. So what determines the voltage? Thats still a very good question. I would say shape of the plate is the one that I see affecting the voltage.

[ibpointless2]

It could be possible that the energy I'm seeing from the same metal water batter is coming from temperature. The water could be cooler than the room, so the aluminum wire in the water is at a different temp than the one barely touching the water. The one barely touching the water is more at the room temp while the one in the water is cooler due to the water evaporating or something like that.

When I first started testing the same metal water battery I did try it with boiling water and got a much higher voltage than normal. When I fist started the most voltage I seen was around 200mV but the hot water gave me close to 400mV, that voltage was never seen before by me.