batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2

[conradelektro]

You can have the same size plates in water and it will still produce a voltage but it will be the generic voltage of around 100mV give or take. If you want to see more power the trick is very simple, have one of the aluminum wires barely touching the water and the other aluminum wire fully in the water. For me my barely touching water plate is my positive. Let me know if this works for others. 

@ibpointless: I bow my head and crawl in the dust of my garden hut, you are right, thank you for your hints and encouragement!

My house has too much electronic smog, so I moved the experiment to my garden hut completely made from wood, no electricity for at least 80 meters, and it works!

See the attached photos. Yes, the aluminium wire barely touching the water surface is positive (the other aluminium wire is in the distiled water). I reversed the probes of the digital multimeter (DC setting) to see whether this is true, and it is. It also gives the highest reading (more than 200 mV).

As you see, I used two different digital multimeters, the measurements are similar. The older one gives lower readings (I have to buy a new battery).

Ibpointless, you are on to something, I will continue testing. Great stuff! One has to be careful when doing the tests and measurements. I was much to hasty when doing my previous tests. (Everybody, watch out for electronic smog overlaying the measurements!)

A question: when you build your little straw-cells, one strip of aluminium sheet has to be shorter than the other?

Greetings, Conrad

[conradelektro]

High weirdness showing up: Playing with this strange "distiled water - two aluminium wires - cell", I could hardly believe what I saw consistently (digital multimeter set to DC).

It depends whether one touches the surface of the water (the other wire is submerged) with the pointed end of the wire or with a round bend! Even polarity changes. See the attached photo.

One wire submerged:

- Pointed end of second wire touching the surface of the distiled water: about + 250 mV (water touching wire is +)

- Round portion of second wire touching the surface of the distiled water: about - 100 mV (water touching wire is -)

Remarks: More (than two) wires in the same water did not give better results. The amperage is so small, I can not measure it, only voltage. It takes 10 to 20 seconds till voltage stabilizes. Sometimes the voltage reached 300 mV (pointed end of wire touching the surface of the water). The water has to be touched, but as little as possible in order to reach 300 mV (needs some fiddling).

Greetings, Conrad

[ibpointless2]

Thank You Conrad I do appreciate what you said.

Hey you should try making one plate a coil of aluminum wire, it sometimes gives crazy results. I do know what you mean about the "u" shape wire making some crazy readings. Different shapes give different voltages and polarities. Playing with different wires and matching them up with other wires will give you better voltage like in my videos. Every plate is different, its like they take on their own life when created.

As for the smaller compact straw cells I have use many types, from aluminum foil, aluminum wire and aluminum nails. These straw cells are smaller of course but hold one big problem that i'm facing. You see these straw cells get air bubbles trapped in them in the middle which causes the cell to stop because theirs a air bubble blocking the water from touching. Its hard to get these cells to work right when air bubbles form.

The key to making these cells last are to keep the water in and the air out. Never fold any of the plates so that air can get trapped in them. This was why i went to the straw idea, it kept water in and air out but they're far from perfect because they trap air bubbles. Heating the water will increase the voltage too and increase plate size will increase amps. Different plate shapes will also determine voltage and polarities.

When you start putting them in series you'll run into problems like i have. You just can't go and hook them up and expect voltage to be higher. It take time and fine tuning of each cells, you've got to make sure the polarities are correct and that you got them hooked up to get the best voltages. and even when you do all this you may fine that some cells will switch polarities and then they become voltage resistors and lowers the total voltage.

Also keep in mind that people say this is impossible. You can't have voltage from the same metals in the same water, just check the books and the internet.

I do thank you for taking the time to play with my cells, I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing this. Many people called me crazy and said this can't be done. I've tried for a long time to get this idea out there and prove to people its really happening but everyone just blows me off and ignores me. So thank you again Conrad and everyone on this forum for listening.

[conradelektro]

I talked to a chemist and he came up with the following:

Oxygen (in the air) reacts with aluminium and produces electrons (or is releasing some electrons into the air) and the other wire (sticking in the distiled water) does not have this reaction (or has it only in the part not in the water). In this way a potential difference between the two wires arises.

Aluminium is highly reactive and forms a thin layer whenever exposed to air. Aluminium is also a very good conductor. Oxidations on the surface of aluminium influence conductivity (on spot where the layer is forming) very much.

Shapes: charge collection on surfaces is influenced by shape. Specially pointed regions give off electrons into the air or into the water. Touching the water with a U-shaped wired might divide the charge on the wire into a negative and positive part.

Weirdness: electric charges move around on surfaces, collect in some places and split up in positive and negative charges depending on the shape and size of a surface (pointed, round, covered by water).

Connection in series: The fact that the cells can not easily be connected in series, also points to electric charges moving in unexpected and surprising ways. The charges are also very small, therefore they are hard to observe, easily influenced by all sort of circumstances (shape of surface, splitting up, being extinguished when making a connection somewhere).

Of course, not a really good explanation, all chemical details are missing. The gist: reaction of aluminium with oxygen in the air produces a charge on the surface of the aluminium wire. The wire having more surface in air (in comparison to the wire which is mostly covered by water) has a different charge. Charges move around and split in positive and negative even on the same surface.

Nevertheless, very interesting, will make more tests with aluminium tubes, rods and sheets.

Greetings, Conrad

[ibpointless2]

I talked to a chemist and he came up with the following:

Oxygen (in the air) reacts with aluminium and produces electrons (or is releasing some electrons into the air) and the other wire (sticking in the distiled water) does not have this reaction (or has it only in the part not in the water). In this way a potential difference between the two wires arises.

Aluminium is highly reactive and forms a thin layer whenever exposed to air. Aluminium is also a very good conductor. Oxidations on the surface of aluminium influence conductivity (on spot where the layer is forming) very much.

Shapes: charge collection on surfaces is influenced by shape. Specially pointed regions give off electrons into the air or into the water. Touching the water with a U-shaped wired might divide the charge on the wire into a negative and positive part.

Weirdness: electric charges move around on surfaces, collect in some places and split up in positive and negative charges depending on the shape and size of a surface (pointed, round, covered by water).

Connection in series: The fact that the cells can not easily be connected in series, also points to electric charges moving in unexpected and surprising ways. The charges are also very small, therefore they are hard to observe, easily influenced by all sort of circumstances (shape of surface, splitting up, being extinguished when making a connection somewhere).

Of course, not a really good explanation, all chemical details are missing. The gist: reaction of aluminium with oxygen in the air produces a charge on the surface of the aluminium wire. The wire having more surface in air (in comparison to the wire which is mostly covered by water) has a different charge. Charges move around and split in positive and negative even on the same surface.

Nevertheless, very interesting, will make more tests with aluminium tubes, rods and sheets.

Greetings, Conrad

I've been told this explanation before and it raised many questions. You say the aluminum reacts with the air and creates the voltage, but I've have mention this before where I say you need to make the cells to where they keep water in and air out. I've made cells that do just that. A example would be the compact straw design, its sealed and full of water. Let us not forget that aluminum is not the only thing that works, carbon such as graphite works. Since Graphite is not a metal it cant rust so it can't react to the oxygen in the air. Also other metals work too besides just aluminum.

Of course further testing needs to be done to confirm these ideas.