The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[Magluvin]

@Mav
I see what you are saying about the toroid being better to transfer the flux. My point is that the BEMF (secondary core flux) is seen by the primary according to classic electricity by Faraday's law because the primary coil encompasses the secondary core. But at this point, I'm happy your device works, and we can figure out why later.
Your generosity to open source and full disclosure is much appreciated by everyone here.

Hmm  makes me wonder if the outer shell is just that, and can take the heat.   Lets say that the outer primary can influence the secondary through the shell.  But as the theory goes, the secondary field never gets to escape from the inner core, maybe if super saturated, and if it cant escape the inner core, then no affect on the primary. Very simple.

There is probably another use here for the shell as a core. Ive just found it hard to find a function while thinking it might shield the secondary from the primary by being in the way, at least in some fashion. That info should be the last stone turned here.  ;]

Mags

Mags

[the_big_m_in_ok]

The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

Rather than start a new thread, I'll just ask the question:
Can one's electric bill be lowereed by back-feeding the output of a Gabriel Fevice to a wall outlet?  Either the same plug as the tap-off point, or, another plug on the same electrical circuit?
Thusly:
        ------------------------------------
        |                                             |
       \ /                                            /\
    Outlet -----> Current        Gabriel----
                       Limiter-----> Device

My thinking:
The sin wave wall current is always in phase,
and, the COP is supposed to be 8 or more.

Ultimate question, which I've never tried:
Can the hot and neutral leads of a wall plug be connected directly together if the whole power system is in phase?

If so, this should theoretically work?  I have yet to try with full voltage from the wall, but I do have several transformers to step down voltage.

--Lee

[wayne49s]

If heat due to eddy currents is an issue in this device, in might be overcome with a material that does not conduct electricity, and hence can have no eddy currents, like magnetite;)

Hi twinbeard,
This is something that we can look as part of optimization after the replication/validation is done to give us a baseline reference.
/Wayne

[wayne49s]

Hmm  makes me wonder if the outer shell is just that, and can take the heat.   Lets say that the outer primary can influence the secondary through the shell.  But as the theory goes, the secondary field never gets to escape from the inner core, maybe if super saturated, and if it cant escape the inner core, then no affect on the primary. Very simple.

There is probably another use here for the shell as a core. Ive just found it hard to find a function while thinking it might shield the secondary from the primary by being in the way, at least in some fashion. That info should be the last stone turned here.  ;]

Doesn't the fact that the secondary coil gets the induced secondary voltage proof that the shell does not isolate the primary magnetic field to the secondary coil? I know that it sounds intuitive that the secondary flux is contained to the inner core and is isolated from the primary, but the equation related to Faraday's law integrates the magnetic field over the area enclosed by the current loop, and this includes the inner core area.
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction

/Wayne

[e2matrix]

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Ultimate question, which I've never tried:
Can the hot and neutral leads of a wall plug be connected directly together if the whole power system is in phase?

If so, this should theoretically work?  I have yet to try with full voltage from the wall, but I do have several transformers to step down voltage.

--Lee

I'm not completely sure I understand the question except connecting hot and neutral leads together would in any case I can think of result in a huge spark and hopefully a breaker kicking open before any real damage happens.  I'm sure there are safer ways to go about attempting what I believe you are asking.  A grid tie inverter may be one.  They take a minute to make sure they are completely in sync before sending power back into the grid.