The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[twinbeard]

Hi twinbeard,
This is something that we can look as part of optimization after the replication/validation is done to give us a baseline reference.
/Wayne

My thought exactly.

[Mavendex]

Rather than start a new thread, I'll just ask the question:
Can one's electric bill be lowereed by back-feeding the output of a Gabriel Fevice to a wall outlet?  Either the same plug as the tap-off point, or, another plug on the same electrical circuit?
Thusly:
        ----------------------------------
        |                                             |
       \ /                                            /\
    Outlet -----> Current        Gabriel----
                       Limiter-----> Device

My thinking:
The sin wave wall current is always in phase,
and, the COP is supposed to be 8 or more.

Ultimate question, which I've never tried:
Can the hot and neutral leads of a wall plug be connected directly together if the whole power system is in phase?

If so, this should theoretically work?  I have yet to try with full voltage from the wall, but I do have several transformers to step down voltage.

--Lee

Yup just like a induction motor, the transformer is getting its phase from the source so when you send it back in theory it is already phase locked.

the safer way would have a second meter installed and have your output go to that.

[the_big_m_in_ok]

I'm not completely sure I understand the question except connecting hot and neutral leads together would in any case I can think of result in a huge spark and hopefully a breaker kicking open before any real damage happens.

Yes, I see your point.  I may not have been clear enough?  What I meant was connect the hot lead from one plug to the hot lead of another plug on the same circuit (ideally) or else the hot lead of another plug on another circuit in the same power mains system.  No sparks?  Hopefully??

  I'm sure there are safer ways to go about attempting what I believe you are asking.  A grid tie inverter may be one.  They take a minute to make sure they are completely in sync before sending power back into the grid.

Sure, that would be the answer, but it would be an expensive one.  I was thinking of an (potentially?  admittedly?) kluge answer that doesn't involve complexity or a lot of money.

--Lee

[the_big_m_in_ok]

Yup just like a induction motor, the transformer is getting its phase from the source so when you send it back in theory it is already phase locked. ...

Right, I thought as much in a hunch.  It should work as I had envisioned.

...the safer way would have a second meter installed and have your output go to that.

Well, yeah, I know what you're getting at.  However, I was taking my impetus from a mail order flyer I had years ago that suggested, as educational information, that power meters owned by the power provider could be bypassed to reduce the electric bill.  I don't recommend breaking the law.  I was just curious, and the Gabriel Device made me even more curious.

--Lee

[wayne49s]

@all

I talked to Jeff and he recommends anyone interested to send a purchase order. The item is called a magnet housing and is half of the toroid, so you need 2 pieces. There is a setup fee (maybe we can get this cheaper if he sets it up for all interested at the same time) and item cost (price is quantity dependent). They accept cheque or COD. His email is jeff@l-sindustries.com (there is a website).

@Mav: What's the inner and outer diameter of the shell,so I can calculate for wire length needs for the primary.

/Wayne