Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[LarryC]

@LarryC,

It builds.

Two comments:

1)  The Pod needs a top and bottom.  The height there needs to be 23.50.  I made that change in the .dwg.
2)  The gap between the Outside Retainer and Riser 1 is too big, I believe.  Driving water into it from the thin gap inside Riser 1 will not raise the water level there by much at all.  It needs to be the thinnest gap of all.

Thanks,

M.

Thanks M,
I intended for the Pod not to have a bottom, would be less of a problem to fix, if a leak developed.
In Fig 1 in the Patent it shows a larger diameter at the top of container. To handle overflow better or more water to keep the head higher on Riser1 without water coming in from water inlet, not sure, but it was just my way of compensating, without having the arkward build.

Would you add the spacers on my next version and shade the acrylic.

I'm more concerned about the narrowing in each air, water column. I will figure out how to correct.

Thanks, Larry

[neptune]

@Webby1. So if I understand your last post correctly. You are proposing two separate models.


1. A relatively simple model based on an inverted vessel and a concrete block, and an air pup.[bellows,syringe, etc] Or possibly two or more such vessel/block assemblies.machine to be self running,


2 A more complex machine with multiple layers, more along the lines of Mondraseks design.


The success of [1] depends on such a basic "single riser" design having OU. I am torn two ways here.\Wayne says that 3 layers are "only just OU" so you might be struggling with just one layer . On the other hand I have no doubt that Wayne`s first attempts were with a single layer set up. My guess is that he must have seen a degree of OU in the early single layer experiments to inspire him to develop the multilayer concept.




I would say that any self running machine needs a minimum COP of 1.5 to work and overcome losses.
However a COP as low as 1.1 might be sufficient to prove OU by causing a given weight falling one inch to raise a heavier weight one inch.[Not self running .]
I would appreciate your views on all this .

[mondrasek]

I intended for the Pod not to have a bottom, would be less of a problem to fix, if a leak developed.

I understand.  Do keep in mind that the Pod chamber has the most air volume, and without a bottom, some water will enter the bottom of an open Pod as the air there is compressed.  This reduces buoyant lift from the Pod.

In Fig 1 in the Patent it shows a larger diameter at the top of container. To handle overflow better or more water to keep the head higher on Riser1 without water coming in from water inlet, not sure, but it was just my way of compensating, without having the arkward build.

That may be true.  And an overflow may be a good idea.  But you will get very little lift from the Riser 1 if the outer gap is so large.

Would you add the spacers on my next version and shade the acrylic.

I could add spacers if you need.  What do you mean by "shade the acrylic?"  If you mean to add "hatching" to show that this is a cut away view (and make easier to see the walls vs. voids) that is no problem.  If you mean adding color or tinting, I can do different color lines and hatching.  But no "transparent color tinting".  You'd need a Solids program for that and I don't have a key to use our package (nor am I anywhere qualified to use it anymore!).

M.

[mondrasek]

The success of [1] depends on such a basic "single riser" design having OU. I am torn two ways here.\Wayne says that 3 layers are "only just OU" so you might be struggling with just one layer . On the other hand I have no doubt that Wayne`s first attempts were with a single layer set up. My guess is that he must have seen a degree of OU in the early single layer experiments to inspire him to develop the multilayer concept.

@neptune, I do not believe there is any OU in a single layer design.  I believe Mr. Wayne only saw the "Travis Effect" as the way to nest Risers inside Risers.  It is the layering of the "nested" risers that leads to OU.

The purpose of the "Travis Effect" is only to show that you do not need the Risers (or cups) to be completely filled with air to maximize their buoyancy.  Instead you can replace a portion of that air with other items.  And if those other items are rings of water with other Risers, you end up with a unique arrangement where the buoyant forces of the Risers sum together and produce a larger total buoyant force in the same space of the one Outer Riser.

M.

[LarryC]

I understand.  Do keep in mind that the Pod chamber has the most air volume, and without a bottom, some water will enter the bottom of an open Pod as the air there is compressed.  This reduces buoyant lift from the Pod.

If it is an issue, styrofoam can be added, but we'd need to remove after the test to show no battery.

That may be true.  And an overflow may be a good idea.  But you will get very little lift from the Riser 1 if the outer gap is so large.

I don't understand why the lift would be less.

I could add spacers if you need.  What do you mean by "shade the acrylic?"  If you mean to add "hatching" to show that this is a cut away view (and make easier to see the walls vs. voids) that is no problem.  If you mean adding color or tinting, I can do different color lines and hatching.  But no "transparent color tinting".  You'd need a Solids program for that and I don't have a key to use our package (nor am I anywhere qualified to use it anymore!).

Edit: Any color but blue hatching would be great.


Regards, Larry