Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Xaverius]

The system is very simple, the complexity is within the interactions of the air, water and pressure.

I take it you have seen drawings, pictures or animations of the ZED, in that you see the nested riser system and the pod.  The pod spends a lot of its time just filling up space, thus reducing the quantity of fluid that is needed to be pushed into the pod chamber.  When that fluid is pushed into the pod chamber there is air already in the pod chamber so it gets pushed out, and the only out for the air is down the inside of the first riser, there is water inside the first riser so the air then pushes the water down and out from under the riser, this is repeated for how ever many risers you have.

Additive pressure, when the riser has the water standing up on the outside of the riser and air is on the inside the pressure needed to hold that water there is the height of the standing water, well if the outside riser is 12 inches tall then the air pressure must be .43 psi and that pressure not only pushes the out from underneath the riser it also pushes back the other way, so the riser that is one closer tot he pod chamber needs to counter that pressure to start with, then for its own column to be stood up and held it needs to add another .43 psi, this continues for how ever many risers you have until you reach the pod chamber.  In the pod chamber there is a little water and just enough air for the lift, all of this air is at the final additive pressure from the risers, but the water level is low in the pod chamber, now water is pushed into the pod chamber and that level rises and that rise in level increases the pressure that the water must have to enter the pod chamber, if it started out empty and went to full then that would be an increase of .43 psi.

After all this is done there is still room for more water in the pod chamber, and all the water standing up in the vertical sections are holding potential, not to mention that a force must be applied and held constant t keep them there, this force is pushing on two horizontal plains, one is the bottom of the ZED and the other is the underside of the top of the risers.

Lift is the force of holding the water in the vertical plain while more water is pushed into the pod chamber.  This does two things, it applies a slightly increased force of lift so the risers go up and it adds fill material to the risers to keep the pressure more consistent while the risers are moving up and filling in most of the increase in volume that is created by the risers going up.  The fill material is the remaining air in the pod chamber, as fluid is added into the pod chamber more fluid is added than the rate of rise of the pod\risers, this forces the water up and past the side of the pod and pushes more air out of the pod chamber and into the risers.

A small thing is that the bottom of the pod sees the total head of the fill side of the system, the air pressure on the water around the pod creates a seal,,

At end of lift, if you look at one of the nice drawings, you will see that all of the air is still being held in the vertical position, well most of it, some has fallen down due to the increase in volume within the ZED that has not been compensated for.  All of that water that is still being held in the vertical position will fall back down and move the air and the moving air moves more water for how ever many risers you have and all that pressure with the total fluid amount that was added comes back out of the system, so the discharge of the ZED is under an increased potential until the risers are back to rest,, or there starting point.

So the simple part is, water in, air and water repositioned creating potential, lift and then recovery of the stored potential.

nice explanation, thanx.....

[mondrasek]

Have you met my friend Mr. Webb?

[MT]

[quote author=Red_Sunset link=topic=10596.msg342351#msg342351 date=1351688177
Good picture, the ram cavity is where the fluid is kept that interfaces with the lift surface.
Lets now call the weight of the car 1000kg and the lift surface below the car 1SqMtr and that would make 1000ltr fluid requirement to lift the car 1 mtr. high.
Now apply the examples shown.  Remember that the magic for case #2 is in the lift surface.
And use a little imagination with pixie dust (forget about the pink unicorns for a while, they have a negative vibe)


Hi Michel,
when we decrease piston area 10x this has implications for the ram cavity volume dimensions isn't it? From 1m3 cube to 10m high chimney with 0.1 sqrmeter area. Then fluid comes at higher pressure but 10m below.
Marcel

[Red_Sunset]

Hi Michel,   when we decrease piston area 10x this has implications for the ram cavity volume dimensions isn't it? From 1m3 cube to 10m high chimney with 0.1 sqrmeter area. Then fluid comes at higher pressure but 10m below.
Marcel

Hello Marcel,
You are right if the piston was standard as shown in your picture. (also 10% reduction is an most likely impossible extreme, for example only) though the practical impossibility wouldn't change the point what is being demonstrated
But we said that the magic was in the piston, so the piston is more likely to look like the multi-layer Travis piston. Where a tall pressure height can incorporated very easily. 
We are lifting a 1000kg, using a Travis piston. Lets assume a 3 layers piston (+pod), to start, this would mean that the1000kg is divided over lift surfaces, now 250kg/surface. But it doesn't have to be this way.
For simplicity, lets keep the outer layer square area 1SqMtr, this would make the pod area approx. 85%.............go on from here.....
Let me allow you to proceed in this matter with calculations towards the objective.  Think about what natural properties the system could have and what modification the system should have and what you could do to break the linearity towards your objective of desirable properties. Sometimes you need to help nature a bit.

What are your desirable properties ?
1..  More output for less input (benefit on the upstroke)
2..  More return from the input for less output sacrificed  (benefit on the down-stroke)

For these desirable properties to materialize, you require the natural symmetrical relationship to be modified otherwise that result would not be possible. 

We have two target area's
1.. The input volume relationship to lift capability
2.. The interface relationship between input and output, the lift surface controlled by "surface area" and "pressure". Their product will give you the lift force. Any change of either variable will change the product proportionally.

We know that the MLBD has multiple surfaces or different size (shrinking as they go inwards) notwithstanding their total size is fixed and each surface has its own specific pressure (not necessarily the same for each surface) notwithstanding that there is only a single total head pressure which is our input and control pressure.  This gives quite some options, we can play with.
Play with this variable concept, you will see some surprising results dat zal je haren laten recht staan.

Van mijn oogpunt, zijt jij die enige persoon what een unconditioneele interesse heeft in the principe van Wayne's ontdekking, en doet een zienbare moeite om iets nieuws te leren. Als he nodig is zal ik je wel een berichtje sturen van waar we vlugger en meer productief verder kunnen praten.

Groeten, Michel

[Red_Sunset]

You are not alone on this... However , one good thing about the standard laws of physics is that you can discount any level of complexity offered as an explanation. The device simply does not work... period...

It is proven (for at least two centuries now , with rigorous scientific and mathematical proofs that any device such as this cannot work. Take the time to learn why this is so, and don't waste any more time on this.

Xaverius, 
When 1000 people jump of the roof,  do not just do the same thing.   You can stand on your own feet and make your own assessment and decision.  Wayne never told you to believe him, he wanted you discover for yourself what it is all about. That is why you haven't seen any complete "this is how it works", only guidance that allows the thinking men to discover the new frontier.

Seamus will blindly follow, he is entitled to that (neither is anybody saying that the wise men are wrong), but that is just not the whole story.  Can we "think and reason", that is the key to advancement and that is the reason he keeps very quite regarding Message #2789 & 2846. He appears to have no clue and prefers to hide behind dark sunglasses covered with the dust of two centuries.  We do get wiser in time, this leads to progress.

For the fence sitters, the proof on the pudding is near !