Background discussion of TT`s Pyramid

[ElectricGoose]

   If they were working on a just a galvanic principal they would discharge like ALL other batteries and need to be recharged, these cells DON'T NEED RECHARGING.  Why??  If all is known then why is it that you can't you buy a permanent output cell anywhere, for any price.
    I am not arguing the galvanic or not theory, just looking for the true  cause and effect, as what is important is the results, the reasons are secondary,  as Thomas also mentions.
  We don't even know what Aether really is, or electricity, or magnetic energy, or what is cold electricity, and other sources of as yet unknown and undiscovered and as yet unmeasurable power sources.
  But, We don't need to be insulted, either,   Electric Goose, if you are so smart why can't you be nice.

Nick

In answer to some of your questions.

1)  These cells are galvanic BUT incredibly LOW ouput...therefore
2)  Everything is exponentially calculated....many at the forum for instance says "oh wow these cells last forever".  But do they and at what output???  Answer = NO they don't last forever they just seem to last a whole lot longer than conventional batteries.  However, what is the point of lasting 10-20 years if the output is 1 volt at 2 milliamps for something the size and weight of a beer can?  The reason they last so long and the output is so low is that the galvanic deteriotion is slowed by the 'solid electrolyte' and minimal moisture.  At the end of it all its useless because the output is so low. 
3)  You can say that conventional carbon cells dont need recharging either.  If you look at them fairly and the evidence....even a dried up old used carbon battery has 100x more power than concrete cell.  I dont get where you are going with your recharging line of reasoning.
4)  Why arent 'forever' cells on the market at any price?  Really?  Same reason they make electronics to last 5 years or less - Economics. 

You say "the reasons are secondary"?  I am astounded but not surprised at this comment and its shows why you are scrabbling in the dark.  The reasons as to HOW and WHY things work are never ever secondary if you want to have a hope of building something or figuiring out a mystery!!

Just imagine if the Wright Brothers had said "we dont need to know what causes lift!"  Oh dear...they would still be bolting flat pieces of plywood on things and wondering why they weren't getting off the ground.  Once you know the why...you can bend and shape things any way you want!

Insulted???  Did I swear at you or call you stupid?  I point out the truth.  Did I really insult you or do you just feel insulted because of bad reasoning on your own part which makes you feel foolish? 

Be honest with yourself.

[NickZ]

  Electric Goose:
   At least you a trying to be a little nicer.  I am not arguing the galvanic theory.  I am suggesting that there is more to it.  My cells are NOT like yours, mine have current and not just voltage.  They did not come out of the oven dead. They are producing useful electric power for multiple leds throughout my house, nightly for months, and are still at it.  They do not need recharging... for what ever reason.  Even if galvanic as most think,  they are the only source of silent permanent and daily free light that I've seen, yet. 
  Not trying to convince anyone, nor do I care if the these cells are galvanic, what I care about is that they last, at least long enough to be useful.  But I will go to the Mg/Carbon cell next, as it produces much more current, and yes they are galvanic, and do rust out, and deteriorate, as does every battery made to date. But they don't EVER need to be charged.
   This is not to dismiss the pyramid as an output source, as I've spend almost half my life inside pyramids, and I'm also interested in this thread, and its results,  as much as anyone.
   

[Freezer]

Here's tt's #2 outdoor video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=825A9G37P7s

On another note there is some pretty good nimh cells on the market called eneloop, made by sanyo, that seem to outperform all other nimh cells.  They claim it can hold it's charge for 3 years and retain something like 80%.  I have had some for almost a year and it hasn't lost .1 volts, so there are some on the market which seem to not be geared to die like the rest.  Of course these won't last forever, but they are a vast improvement.  I also read that a guy in China stole the design, and eneloop tried to sue them unsuccessfully.  I think they are designing a battery for use in electric vehicles.  Sanyo make really efficient solar cells as well, but are very expensive.

[NickZ]

   Freezer:
   Thanks for the link, I'll take a look.
   Also very interesting about the Sanyo nimh cells.
   The main point is that cells can also be permanent output power source, needing no connection to the grid system. Like a permanent power supply. The fact that they are not being made available, or that we have not been able to perfect them to a usable degree, yet, its only a matter of time.  Same with the pyramid generator. By the time we figure out how to do something ebay will be selling it, made in China for less than it would cost to build it.  But like you said, it's not cheap,  now.   

[neptune]

I am very pleased I started this thread . It keeps stuff off the main thread that is not strictly relevant , and we have got some interesting discussions going on .What sets the pyramid apart from some other borderline technology ,is that the output is watts rather than milliwatts .OK . the power density is still quite low , but this is still in its infancy .Once we see replication , the scope for experimentation is huge . Once we understand the "how" , we might make better reactors .The pyramid is not necessarily the best shape for the job . Substitutes may be found for the gypsum boards . What about some specially treated , waterproof cloth ? The whole thing then becomes as portable as a tent . Then there is the problem of scale . A one metre pyramid harvests about 16 watts from one square metre of earth . So a small half metre size may give 4 watts , and that will light a hell of a lot of LEDS or possible charge your phone .
@ Ben K4ZEP . During tests , TT does not fit the fourth side panel to his pyramid . If you remember , please ask him what percentage power loss this causes .