FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[Gwandau]

Gwandau:

That statement doesn't make sense.  Nickel can't be "destroyed."  It can melt though.

MileHigh,

You know exactly what I meant when saying that the Nickel pulver was "destroyed".

The issue about gamma radiation is probably related to the alleged rate of fusion.  Low rates will equal low amounts of gamma radiation. 
But I want to emphasize again that the fusion reaction itself, whether "regular" or LENR, will emit exactly the same amount of gamma radiation at exactly the same energy level when the fusion takes place.  I am not so sure that you understand that.

I am not so sure that you understand how little the nuclear physiscists really understand about what's going on in the Atomic nucleus.
Their model is halting severely, and their reason behind their search for the Higgs particle shows their lack of understanding.
Without finding their Higgs particle, there is no fundament for the theory of a physical particle, which somehow confuses
and worries the contemporary science.

But everything indicates that there exist no real physical particles in universe.
Everything seem to be standing waves interacting and creating the appearence of physicality.
So what really goes on within the Atom are pure guesses incorporated to a halting model that soon will be revised.

Sorry to repeat myself, but I simply can't envision that the first commercial implementation of the E-Cat will be the "home" version.  It just doesn't make sense, and by extension Rossi is not making sense.  The pieces of the puzzle are not fitting together in my opinion.

MileHigh

Wrong,

The first commercial implementation of the E-Cat is the 1MW units, one delivered and several on order.
If you want one, you can order one today, and get the 1MW unit within three months.

The reason you don't understand why Andrea Rossi is involved in the dirt cheap e-cat for domestic use,
is because you only think in terms of money.

As I have said before,  Andrea Rossi want an energy revolution just as much as getting rich.

Give me one single reason for Andrea Rossi being a con artist. The whole e-cat project is economically beyond his control.
He won't earn a single penny until the product have returned interest to the trust now owning the e-cat.

I can sense that you want to believe that the E-Cat is a nearly perfect, benign and absolutely safe producer of heat.  You are making it sound too good to be true and that simply doesn't smell right.

Would it be so terrible if he was a good and honest man without doing everything your way?
Maybe the smell you feel is your own reeking suspiciousness to all and everything opposing the familiar.

Be open until Andrea Rossi is proven true or false.
Why are you in such a hurry to disprove him, even before this is possible?

Open your heart, you got nothing to lose but your ego.

Gwandau

[lumen]

You are implying that everything is at a lower level.  In my opinion you are missing the point.  "Low level" refers to the amount of energy required to get one nucleus to smash into another nucleus with enough force to create fusion.  It has nothing to do the resulting reaction after the fusion takes place.  Seriously, anybody reading this that thought "everything is different" is making a big mistake.

You can assume for example that the rate that fusion is allegedly occurring in LENR is much lower a rate than the attempts at "hot" fusion would normally run at, but after fusion happens, the process is 100% the same.

So the "special" thing that is allegedly happening is that LENR can somehow create fusion, firing one nucleus at another nucleus with enough energy to create fusion, by somehow bouncing hydrogen atoms around inside a crystal lattice of nickel atoms.  But to repeat, once fusion happens it's an identical reaction to hot fusion.

If somebody disagrees with me I would like to know why they disagree with me and just saying "it's different" is not going to convince me.  Also, I am no expert here, just a lay person with a science background.

MileHigh

I,m thinking the reaction with LENR and that of hot fusion would indeed be very different. Based on a simple reaction of an ionized gas dropping an energy level, a photon is emitted with a wavelength based on the change of the electron shell distance, so given that LENR is taking place within a confined lattice that has pushed the atoms so tightly together that fusion takes place, then one might assume also that the energy released may also be restricted with tighter spacing and may produce Gamma rays with longer wavelengths or different than those of hot fusion. Additionally, LENR appears to not produce any free Neutrons or at least free Neutrons of high energy, again unlike hot fusion.
So if the initial reaction is different than that of hot fusion, why would anyone assume the results would be the same as hot fusion? There is no basis to assume the results would be the same.
The process is NOT the same, only the results are the same.

Just my opinion of course.

[parisd]

I still dont see how low energy gammas that will be fully absorbed by a lead shielding will be able to heat water outside of this shield unless the shield itself becomes very hot on its external surface, not sure lead shield become that hot under low energy gammas and if the case I imagine the nickel being even hotter (read unstable at high temperature), I need to search outside of this forum for some design elements or ideas if they are available which is not sure.

Also Google search keyword "NASA LENR COLD FUSION" gave lots of results from douzain of e-cats, coldfusion or LENR websites but none are official, they are just relaying internet euphoria or rumors about cold fusion. I finally found the official NASA site which said "experiences on LENR has shown to be useless". Please, someone, find me the real thing from NASA about replication of Cold fusion from an official NASA website, I could not by myself.

Not yet Googled MIT LENR.

[neptune]

@Parisd. In my understanding, the Nickle hydrogen reaction takes place in a copper vessel. That is placed inside a larger copper vessel , and water is circulated between the two vessels. The lead shielding is outside the outer copper vessel. I know next to nothing about Nuclear physics. But as I understand it, water can not be made radioactive by gamma rays. Nasa released a video on cold fusion in the last two months . You will find it on Peswiki Energy news.

[parisd]

@Chess, it is not being septical or trusting Rossi blindly, I (we) dont even know if the claims I (we) read are from Rossi himself or from internet rumors. For example where is located the existing 1MWe unit that have already been sold, does it produce hot water or electricity ? we need to get confirmation for the information we get as anything can be said so easily on the net. Nasa video on a OU website, why not on a recognized scientific website like www.sciencedaily.com, why not on CNN ?

If cold fusion do exist, we may not soon get easy access to it (no need to remind me it is a simple device without risk, I got it), this is just my opinion, you guys can have a completely different one, this is fine and expected. We should try to collect design details or operating details, just like neptune did in previous post, we never know the project may not see its birth as expected, petrol at 120$ brings a lot of money not only to oil cartels. Outside of OU forums, the LENR or E-cat is not known, it did not spread the world as cold fusion did in 1989.

Rossi not a scammer as nobody was or will be catched, true but he can also be an illuminated mind who wants to be heard or seen by as many people as he can in the world with false demonstrations, would he be the first ? Hope to be wrong, I would love to see cold fusion in my garage.

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