FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

All:

Rossi is supposed to release some hard data from the testing that he is doing right now within a month or two.  That would be very much welcomed by all and I look forward to seeing it.

There are already about 150 comments posted after that article.  The comments are much more important to read as compared to the article itself.  A wise person would read all of the comments to get a more balanced viewpoint by getting differing opinions.

MileHigh

[WilbyInebriated]

All:

Rossi is supposed to release some hard data from the testing that he is doing right now within a month or two.  That would be very much welcomed by all and I look forward to seeing it.

what are the odds you will keep quiet 'till then?

There are already about 150 comments posted after that article.  The comments are much more important to read as compared to the article itself.  A wise person would read all of the comments to get a more balanced viewpoint by getting differing opinions.

MileHigh

the comments are irrelevant. comments don't heat a house or power turbines...   those opinions you speak of are, to paraphrase mark twain, "are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."

[Gwandau]

@ everybody

I just love this  thread!
The daily routine of entering here getting updated is both inspiring and entertaining.

Thank you Chessnyt for keeping the LENR flag high, your input is absolutely vital to this thread of yours.


And thank you dear Rosemary for balancing up the somewhat boring dryness of male argumentation dominating our discussions,
it is quite beneficial for many of the guys here who are obsviously not used to such interaction within the scientific field.


And thank you MileHigh for having been such a reliable sceptic up to now, the constructive critiscism of late has a balancing effect that is highly welcome.
(Although there seems to be some signs of you reholstering your guns in late posts, I am sure they are still loaded and ready.)


Whatever position we might have decided to take on this intriguing jouney towards the E-cat disclosure, we can all agree on one single point:


IT'S GREAT FUN!


Gwandau

[Gwandau]

Hello Gwandau,

I simply don't understand this at all.  In the first instance - after the granting of a provisional patent which is usually managed in one's country of origin - the requirement is to lodge a patent in the International Patenting office in Geneva.  Certainly as I was given to understand this process.  The patent which must be application orientated - is then published to address 'prior art' claims.  Not one sentence of 'theory' needs be included.  But all aspects of the patent must then be revealed as this is the basis of the protection that patents offer.  So.  Why then is Rossi withholding information?  If this then precludes protection from those patents?  It simply doesn't add up.  None of it. 

Then.  I do not personally care if there are patenting rights or not.  Frankly.  I believe his units will sell like hot cakes and that no competitor will be able to elbow in effectively, until they've invested as he has done, in sophisticated production.  By then his product will be established... and he'll automatically get the edge that he deserves.  Defkalion - I suspect - are under specific contractual agreement.  They are probably only effective competitors if they keep the technology 'secret' which would be in terms of that non disclosure agreement that Rossi would have asked for.  And if they don't - then they'll have to cough up more than just a licensing fee. And again.  This is only what I 'suspect'.  Which is why they have to keep their little black box 'tamper free'.  Hence the requirement that it 'implode' should the box be opened for reverse engineering purposes.  And that 'implosion' potential is PRECISELY why I, for one, would NEVER buy from them.

Compliance to standard theory has never been a requirement for any patenting with the entire exception, surprisingly, of 'cold fusion'.  This was the excessive knee jerk reaction to the threat of 'cold fusion' that was also orchestrated by Dr Vest.  And what he did was suggest that our patent offices could be subject to abuse from 'pathological science' and their 'pathological' scientists.  But even that limitation was easily exceeded courtesy renaming 'cold fusion' 'LENR'.  I believe also that the European offices precluded 'perpetual motion' machines - some time back now.  Possibly around 1900 or thereby.

So.  No amount of 'theory' is required.  Not according to my own advices - which, admittedly - are a decade old by now.  And frankly, none of this matters. When Rossi's technology is available - and subject to its being reasonably reverse 'engineerable' (terrible word... )then those that want to can 'buy'.  And those that don't - can make.  And those that can both make and sell - then they may or may not pay a small percentage of their profit to Rossi.  That depends on the patent.  It will be interesting.  My own hope is that Rossi makes himself a fortune.  He well deserves this.  Together with our accolades. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Dear Rosemary,

As long as Andrea Rossi keeps for himself the vital clues to the form and function of his triggering catalyzer for the high LENR efficiency of his E-cat,
he will continue to be denied due to the fact that the heat generating process referred to in the patent application is deviating from known scientific standards.

I am afraid this combination of reference to non validated physics behind the process in combination with an obvious shortage of disclosed parameters makes it all end up in a halting patent application,
no matter what the ordinary criteria for patent applications are.

As I understand it, there still are problems associated with getting granted patent applications that are referring to processes outside the standard model, even if the connection
to the reasons for denial is indirect.


Below is an excert from his patent application, clearly referring to hitherto unknown nuclear processes,
which I am sure will carry effect upon the handling of the application, no matter how application oriented the criteria for the patents are:

Abstract: A method and apparatus for carrying out highly efficient exothermal reaction between nickel and hydrogen
atoms in a tube, preferably, though not necessary, a metal tube filled by a nickel powder and heated to a high temperature,
preferably, though not necessary, from 150 to 5000C are herein disclosed.
In the inventive apparatus, hydrogen is injected into the metal tube containing a highly pressurized nickel powder having a pressure,
preferably though not necessarily, from 2 to 20 bars.

Gwandau

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

When the abstract has two major flaws in it it's not very confidence inspiring at all.  It makes it look like the whole patent application was thrown together in a rush.

The melting point of nickel 1453 C so what the hell is the patent application saying when it says, "150 to 5000C."

There is no such thing as "highly pressurized nickel powder."  I realize that this is just a simple mistake and they really mean to say, "nickel powder in highly pressurized hydrogen gas," but it's an abstract for a patent application after all.

I will just repeat that it would be well worth it to read all of the comments in the previously linked article in order to understand other people's opinions.

MileHigh