Testing the TK Tar Baby

[happyfunball]

you trolls ever stop to think it MIGHT just be because... i speak the truth. your hero, the dancing bear knows it, and that's why he ALWAYS responds with a red herring or a strawman or his other favorite fallacy, ad hominem... because he can't refute anything i have said. all one has to do is look at the record to see this fact. which is what stephan does... and being the fair and impartial host that he is, he knows all i have ever done is to present the truth.

meanwhile sean and ape... you still cannot:
-refute any of the points i have made here concerning his logical fallacies, hypocrisy and misrepresentations;
-demonstrate how your hero was "tricked";
-respond cogently;
-provide ANY evidence at all that I am someone named 'steve' or 'jibguy' or 'windisch' or any of it...

while i on the other hand, back up what i say with quotes and images that demonstrate what i say to be true and factual.

Can't you choose another forum to have temper tantrums and waste bandwidth

[evolvingape]

you trolls ever stop to think it MIGHT just be because... i speak the truth. your hero, the dancing bear knows it, and that's why he ALWAYS responds with a red herring or a strawman or his other favorite fallacy, ad hominem... because he can't refute anything i have said. all one has to do is look at the record to see this fact. which is what stephan does... and being the fair and impartial host that he is, he knows all i have ever done is to present the truth.

I encourage everyone to log in and view all of Wilbyinebriated's 3,000+ posts to date and decide for yourself if they are "speaking the truth", also ask yourself what content is of scientific value to the community. I have never seen Wilbyinebriated present "truth" in respect to Rosemary Ainslie and her claims, only harass those that have.

meanwhile sean and ape... you still cannot:
-refute any of the points i have made here concerning his logical fallacies, hypocrisy and misrepresentations;
-demonstrate how your hero was "tricked";
-respond cogently;
-provide ANY evidence at all that I am someone named 'steve' or 'jibguy' or 'windisch' or any of it...

I check TK's facts myself, I certainly am not guided by your opinions!

You did not trick him ? Sure ?:

http://www.overunity.com/12182/testing-the-tk-tar-baby/msg323797/#msg323797

Remember this Steve ?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ad-Hominem-Attacks-by-Rady-Ananda-090106-173.html?show=votes#allcomments

The new debating paradign

You are so right in this Rady, kudos for bringing up this subject.

What we see now is that ad hominem's usually dominate debate. We see it on TV, and we especially hear it on talk radio. On neocon forum sites, that is virtually THE ONLY kind of arguments you can see (my God, go to one some time and be prepared to be angry for at least a week, lol) .

What is so disgusting about this, is that young people see this and believe that it is the proper way to debate. 

I believe that ad hominem's should be addressed directly whenever they appear; as well as the other forms of sophistic manipulation such as straw men and red herrings. This constant calling-out will strip the user of their "favorite" tactics, and help the audience to see the manipulations.

Debate arguments should always be made with facts, ideas, and reason.... Not sputim, acid, and smoke.

Another problem i often see with forum debate is that the participants tend to take the replies personally. This is of course "natural"; however a serious debater should always understand that both the replies and their own comments MUST be aimed at the audience at large.... Not the opponent specifically.

Understand that every well-made debate point is a challenge.. And another opportunity to give your own. This is how you win debates... It is often a battle of attrition.

And oddly enough it is also the way to silence trolls and shills: Once they realize that every vitrolic comment just brings back more calm, logical, well-crafted points in return... They will cut their losses and quit (the smarter ones, anyway lol).

Sure sounds like you doesn't it Wilby... err... Steve... err... RAT...

while i on the other hand, back up what i say with quotes and images that demonstrate what i say to be true and factual.

I do not remember a single incidence of you backing up with quotes, images or facts, the continual lies and obvious deceptions of Rosemary Ainslie forced upon this community for many years. I do however remember you attacking the people that have presented truth and facts in respect of Rosemary Ainslie.

I once again urge every member to log in and read all of Wilbyinebriated's posts and decide for yourself if they are of value to this forum community, backed up with quotes and images.

I also urge you to consider what possible motive Stephan could have for none intervention in this well documented and particular case of perpetual assault on the community.

[TinselKoala]

Maybe she really IS his grandmother.

That would explain a lot..... certain kinds of psychopathology have a strong genetic component, and after all.... blood is thicker than water.

[WilbyInebriated]

You did not trick him ? Sure ?:

http://www.overunity.com/12182/testing-the-tk-tar-baby/msg323797/#msg323797

and exactly HOW is that me tricking him?

Remember this Steve ?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ad-Hominem-Attacks-by-Rady-Ananda-090106-173.html?show=votes#allcomments

The new debating paradign

You are so right in this Rady, kudos for bringing up this subject.

What we see now is that ad hominem's usually dominate debate. We see it on TV, and we especially hear it on talk radio. On neocon forum sites, that is virtually THE ONLY kind of arguments you can see (my God, go to one some time and be prepared to be angry for at least a week, lol) .

What is so disgusting about this, is that young people see this and believe that it is the proper way to debate. 

I believe that ad hominem's should be addressed directly whenever they appear; as well as the other forms of sophistic manipulation such as straw men and red herrings. This constant calling-out will strip the user of their "favorite" tactics, and help the audience to see the manipulations.

Debate arguments should always be made with facts, ideas, and reason.... Not sputim, acid, and smoke.

Another problem i often see with forum debate is that the participants tend to take the replies personally. This is of course "natural"; however a serious debater should always understand that both the replies and their own comments MUST be aimed at the audience at large.... Not the opponent specifically.

Understand that every well-made debate point is a challenge.. And another opportunity to give your own. This is how you win debates... It is often a battle of attrition.

And oddly enough it is also the way to silence trolls and shills: Once they realize that every vitrolic comment just brings back more calm, logical, well-crafted points in return... They will cut their losses and quit (the smarter ones, anyway lol).

Sure sounds like you doesn't it Wilby... err... Steve... err... RAT...

so... by your logic (and i'm using that word VERY loosely here) i am also any and everyone on the internet who has spoken of logical fallacies... i'm wikipedia, i'm nizkor.org, i'm theskepticsguide.com, etc., etc...   do you have any idea how asinine that sounds? probably not...

I do not remember a single incidence of you backing up with quotes, images or facts, the continual lies and obvious deceptions of Rosemary Ainslie forced upon this community for many years. I do however remember you attacking the people that have presented truth and facts in respect of Rosemary Ainslie.

monkeyboy... why are you changing the subject? we are talking about the dancing bear's youtube video FROM THREE YEARS AGO WHERE HE CLAIMS:

Rosemary, I strongly recommend that you drop this silly story and move on with your life. I have.

to which i asked:  HAS HE? come on monkey... do you think i won't call you on such a fallacy? again, don't be so asinine. now then... looking at the dancing bear's last 500 posts i ask you AGAIN...   HAS HE?

I once again urge every member to log in and read all of Wilbyinebriated's posts and decide for yourself if they are of value to this forum community, backed up with quotes and images.

I also urge you to consider what possible motive Stephan could have for none intervention in this well documented and particular case of perpetual assault on the community.

did you read ALL of them?    your hero the dancing bear is simply getting what he gives... i'm his mirror, and if he is going to harass people OBSESSIVELY for what he believes to be a personal insult, then i am going to return the favor... since he did the same things (insults, libel, etc.) to me that he accuses rose of doing to him. and if it's 'personal' between him and rose, then it is 'personal' between he and i.

and finally, i haven't "assaulted the community"... again... stop being so asinine, and stop vomiting such hyperbole.

i think the real question is why has tinselkoala been allowed to continue his "assault"? rosemary is banned and most likely will continue to be banned. the dancing bear has made his point OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN... is there really a need to continue?

[WilbyInebriated]

meanwhile monkeyboy... you still cannot:
-refute any of the points i have made here concerning his logical fallacies, hypocrisy and misrepresentations;
-demonstrate how your hero was "tricked";
-respond cogently;
-provide ANY evidence at all that I am someone named 'steve' or 'jibguy' or 'windisch' or any of it...