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[MarkE]

Where's your sense of humour fled to @mark E? No more lolz? Mr sarkeizen demands an formated argument that fits into his shooting field.I can try to format an argument in support of the second law of thermodynamics in the way that he wants it and he can still shoot me down,on his terms.I'm not stupid

How you present yourself is your choice.   Sarkeizen hasn't demanded anything.  He has said he will consider an argument if you actually come up with one.  He has also said that he expects that he will tear any argument you might come up with apart.  So long as you don't present an argument, we can only speculate about that.

[MarkE]

And if madebymonkeys succeeds in powering his ipod permanently with the above cell what are you going to then say @sarkeizen.

Someone is going to have to wait a long time to test for "permanently".

[sarkeizen]

And if madebymonkeys succeeds in powering his ipod permanently

As always this is not a test that can be performed.

with the above cell what are you going to then say @sarkeizen.

However if there's a claim that some set of activities represents a 2LOT violation.  Then it's simply a mater of something you and Philip suck at, math.   What's more likely than this actually being a 2LOT violation?  Just about everything.  Hence there is an awful long list of things to test before before we decide there's a 2LOT violation. 

For example, you lie quite a bit and you appear to have zero problem with lying to me.  Hence it is considerably more likely that you will lie about your results of any test I give you to do than there exists an actual 2LOT violation.  That's just the probability you create when you lie so frequently.  I'm sure you have some internal rationalization for lying.  For example you said before that I deserved it (for no useful reason) and it seems entirely possible that you would happily lie about a problem with your results that you think is "easily fixable".

Which brings us to why a formal argument is so important.  While you can lie and say something is a formal argument when it isn't (and you have done this) and it's possible to misidentify something as a formal argument but you can't actually make a formal argument lie.

[profitis]

Your supposed to be a scientist @ markeiz.. ugghh mark E.how can you make a daft statement like this: 'somebody is going to have to wait a long time to chek for permanentcy'.how long is a nickel-hydrogen battery supposed to last when short-circuited..2hours, 3? You can short a karpen-style for 6 weeks and ping..springs straight back up to original voltage and power.

[profitis]

Yawwwn @sarkeizen.just build the thing and see for yourself.its power density is many many times that of karpens original.