Probality of God

[WilbyInebriated]

I agree wholeheartedly.  You misapply such scripture because you don't value the very words you cite.  Before one can value anyone or anything else, that one must first value one's self. 


Look inward and see that the seed begun in you is not dead, and neither is the one who sowed it in you in the first place.  Your fight is not with "gawd fairies" and those who believe in our Creator but with yourself and false religions of all kind, including your own.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm


Blessings in Christ

you agree wholeheartedly that your religion is worthless... finally we agree on something!
furthermore i haven't "misapplied" anything... as evidenced by your holy bible:
james on listening and doing...
19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in itâ€"not forgetting what they have heard, but doing itâ€"they will be blessed in what they do.

26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless. 27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.



thank you AGAIN for ANOTHER tacit admission that you do not consider yourself logical, reasonable and scientific... you have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to validate your gawd. and my 'fight' is with asinine, pretentious, sanctimoniously insane faithers like you...

repent you filthy spooner! repent! the sauce of the flying spaghetti monster is the only way to everlasting life and eternal salvation. your gawd of abraham is insignificant next to the power of the sauce!

[CuriousChris]

I feel remiss in not answering some of these statements as best I can

Chris
Thanks again for your reply,And from your perspective it makes sense ,and in a lot of ways mine too.....
There's always "Buts".......If you Don't know already I work with addicts and I teach them the 12 step program.The results are amazing.......

Good for you

But we won't talk about that "Again".Perhaps we should talk about the epidemic of "drugs" and abuse all accross the spectrum in our society,Peeps are freekin out [quietly] this "everyman for himself" thing isn't cutting it,we are getting further and further away from being a "herd" where we see each other and interact on a daily basis,I can't even remember the last time I saw Kids playing together outside? Our kids are in the house playing Video games ...being Desensitized to violence and suffering at an astounding rate.[subject to HUGE peer pressure if they don't].

All societies go through these types of swings. To say its due to a lack of godliness is being terribly simplistc. Its due to many things. BUT you raise a point worth commenting on more.

Religion came about before formulated laws. Religion is the rule of fear.
Don't say your prayers you'll go to hell
Don't do this or god will punish you
Don't do that or the same thing, god will punish you

Religion has always used the fear of God as the stick to beat down people with. Its an effective tool for the less intellectual  and the poorly educated. but it also had its positives. just like we have good laws today. Often those positive rules are no longer required but still continue to haunt us. an example of this is the religious laws in many religions of not eating pork.

Why was such a rule put into place. It seems an odd and arbitrary rule for man to implement. Well actually it wasnt (it is now). Pigs are carion eaters they are also biologically similar to humans. as such we can get diseases from pigs easier than most animals. and because pigs were carion eaters, they used to feed on the dead. Thus eating pork could give you diseases.
Therefore some clever and caring person said "God forbids the eating of pork". It was to stop people who didn't see the connection between pork and diseases from eating them. but the rule continues today long after pigs feed on the battle ground. it is no longer a law that is needed.

So religion uses God and still does to get its way with people of lesser intellect (the great majority) As I like to say (jokingly) 50% of all people have below average intelligence. and average is pretty ordinary if you ask me.


This brings me to what sort of a god, God must be.

1/ If he is all knowing. Why create a people where the great majority will spend eternity in Hell. Does that sound caring?
2/ Why did ONE THIRD of all the angels leave heaven and side with Lucifer IF THEY knew they could only lose THEY NEW GOD better than any human could. He must have been real nasty to cause that to happen.
3/ Think of poor old Lots wife. Her husband A real right prick offered his own daughters up to the angry mob rather than stand and fight for his family and the strangers he had taken into his care. He also broke the rules by allowing them in because it was not safe to let strangers in to a city at night. Then God tells them to leave and not look back. Perhaps Lots wife heard the screams and anguish of her loved ones left behind. Perhaps there was a loud explosion, we will never know for sure why but Lots wife looked over her shoulder and was turned to a pillar of salt. How do you think Lot felt about that. His poor wife who loved him and followed him into such great danger was punished for what? What sort of a caring and loving god could do that. No-one I could worship that's for sure.

I could go on but I am sure you get the picture.  Except for one more thing on this point. Cause I know you'll say that was the old testament. Then why did god wait 3000 years before sending in Jesus to save the day? Why wait so long before you decide its time to be a more forgiving being. Was he having second thoughts about the way he behaved? I should hope so, but if he was having second thoughts then he is not infallible and therefore he is not a God.

Basically Chris ...The lack of Character and morals and values[family] is manifeating itself into the REALITY of what a world like the one you say is possible ......actually looks like,     Cut out God [the three above] from your society and put back What?

Again a very basic failing of logic. Why put something back? There is no need to put anything back, there is no hole to fill. you might be lost for what to do on a Sunday morning but apart from that?

I relate to your Nature completely , however thats just "You" ,maybe there are others[ofcourse] ,hinging societys future on "well I can do it".why can't you .......RISKY !! One thing is obvious   changes are happening and they are happening fast

I don't understand what you are trying to say here, apart from perhaps one or two too many drinks

  Regarding the Chem,biological Nuclear Etc Warfare and Why we are still all here? I put it on the same page as why in a world that is nothing more than evolution...Why isn't there one example of anything, anywhere that lives forever?[yet]
A design feature ............[the probability of God !:,]

You obviously didn't read my post where I pointed to a jellyfish considered immortal.

Again you want more. but there doesn't have to be more. Some times the deeper you look into your navel you only find more lint. Taking away god leaves no emptiness in the universe. Nothing needs to be put back to fill it.

But you keep repeating that. my guess is because its what is said to you countless times of many years so you cannot divorce yourself of it.

Oh and the Gaps get bigger the more we learn.....
Chris your a cool guy, Thanks for talking.
Chet

The Gaps get smaller. Its our horizon that's getting bigger. As we see more, we see there is so much more to see. and that is exciting. For some its frightening so they retreat to the safety net of their favourite religion.


I have a saying, (yes another one) depending on where you are in your Christianity this may or may not mean something but I'll leave it out there anyway. because for me it exemplifies the inconsistency of religion

I asked my Father once why he had changed his opinion about something I cannot remember what, but it was a religious opinion. My mother overheard me and Said "Oh' but we
have grown in the lord since then"

So I coined this little saying "Last Years truth is this years, Oh we have grown in the lord since then"

How quickly truth is replaced.

CC

[ramset]

Chris
Thanks for the responce. I think you missunderstand my point,as a matter of fact I think all you guys that are beating up "Gods" miss my point
.
A CREATOR.............You spend so much time fighting some shadow ,you won;t even acknowledge a design feature or fingerprint left behind ,your absolute terror of all things religious and your predisposed opinion that religions are for ignoramus's,has left you trapped.

Here, you are right this works great for you guys.
"Last Years truth is this years, Oh we have grown in the lord since then"

Here, I know you must have read about this ""Epigenetics" [presently flushing Darwin down the toilet],Now it seems Virus's and all manner of "Micro" can influence your future

Sparks actually hit on one thing with his "D" evolution regarding woman and hermafradotia [with guys like "W" on the menu, who would have thunk it !:.}
Chris stop thinking about "Them"
think for yourself ..........
thx
Chet
PS
W ,I hope I made some spelling mistakes !:.}

[WilbyInebriated]

oh you made plenty chetito... you never fail to disappoint me with your level of ignorance.

but i digress... i thought i'd grace you with a few more 'flavors'.

bring your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend over for bbq on oct. 31 and he/she/it can become a burning bush and speak to me from said burning bush... i'll even supply the bush.

or you could gather up a coven of your fellow faithers and regrow an amputee's lost limb(s) with the power of prayer and supplication to your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend.

or you could just be your usual pretentious, sanctimonious, hypocritical self and refuse to present the method(s) you used to falsify all the other gods humanity has created or the method(s) you used to validate yours.

i'm betting you choose the last option...

[CuriousChris]

Chris
Thanks for the responce. I think you missunderstand my point,as a matter of fact I think all you guys that are beating up "Gods" miss my point
.
A CREATOR.............You spend so much time fighting some shadow ,you won;t even acknowledge a design feature or fingerprint left behind ,your absolute terror of all things religious and your predisposed opinion that religions are for ignoramus's,has left you trapped.

Here, you are right this works great for you guys.
"Last Years truth is this years, Oh we have grown in the lord since then"

Here, I know you must have read about this ""Epigenetics" ,Now it seems Virus's and all manner of "Micro" can influence your future

Sparks actually hit on one thing with his D evolution regarding woman and hermafradotia [with guys like "W" out there who woulda thunk it!:.}
Chris stop thinking about "Them"
think for yourself ..........
thx
Chet

No I am pretty sure you miss my point. Either deliberately or purely from lack of understanding.

There is no "Design Fingerprint". But there are plenty of people who want you to believe that. If I look long and hard enough at clouds I can make out all sorts of shapes which remind me of other things. but that does not mean those clouds were designed with that in mind.

Epigenetics. How does that support your story? Are you saying its a feature of design? I am afraid you are making that part up. The MSU principle remember. Talk to any real geneticist and see what he thinks of your "design". Of course virii effect our future. they are very much a part of our past and more important to us than most realise. Did you know that there are more bacteria in our body than human cells? Does the bacteria go to heaven as well? You wouldn't be the person you are now without them!

I don't know where 'THEM' came from. Are you trying to put words into my mouth I never spoke about 'them' and unlike any and every follower of religion I certainly do think for myself. I do not nor will I ever be told how to think by some person who has one hand in the air praising god and the other in my pocket stealing my wallet.

I am not sure what you meant by repeating my little quote. but in case you don't understand its meaning I'll spell it out for you.

Christians are constantly changing what they call the truth. In fact every christian I have known has their own variable version of the truth. It depends entirely on their current circumstance. It also means few christian stay in one church their entire lives most will move as their own beliefs change to a church which more suits them and their current belief. Have you ever changed churches because you don't agree with them?

Whereas in science there are very very few 'truths' there are only theories. because science is wise enough to know that you can never know everything about anything. in that way science is honest (not all scientists are of course) I dare you to find an honest religion. of course the one you 'currently' follow is the only one you can suggest. otherwise you'd be following the other one wouldn't you!

I see you withered away from any discussion on your loving and merciful god. because you know for every claim of love and mercy I can throw back a dozen of cruelty and inhumanity.