Probality of God

[WilbyInebriated]

They should give clear picture of everything before coming to conclusion.

and yet you don't apply this same standard to ANY of the asinine unsubstantiated claims you have made in this thread... nor any of the asinine unsubstantiated claims of the religulous like; chet. mags, bruce, tito, etc., etc.


furthermore, since you are claiming to be speaking ONLY of spiritualism and probability of god.... (you're not, you liar, as evidenced by this post of yours.)

With the present day's scientific knowledge can you create atleast one house fly in the laboratory without using cells of another fly?

with your present spiritual knowledge can you create at least one house fly in the laboratory without using cells of another fly?

can you demonstrate that your 'probable' god can create at least one house fly without using cells of another fly?


these two VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS require nothing more from you than a 'yes' or a 'no'...  do you think you can manage to answer them?

[Qwert]

Im missing the point.

Magzimus Leviticus.

According to strict Bible followers, the age of the Universe is somewhat about ten thousand years, what is somewhat different to official science hypothesis which calculates the age for several billion years (since the Big Bang). Which one is the true one?

[Bruce_TPU]

Hi Mags, and other Faithers,

I have put "Faithers" into caps at the start because I LOVE that word.  I wish to mention a few things that the "others" refuse to look at or mention, they just repeat themselves over and over again, as if they can equate repetiion with intellect.  LOL  Too bad, as we say in Texas, "That dog don't hunt!"

I wish to lay out in order relative thought for this argument.  I with to speak to you all because I feel the need to speak with those who have understanding...   

First, is our testimony.  The bible says that the devil is defeated by the blood of the lamb (Jesus) and by the word of our testimony.  The "others" can howl at the wind, until the chickens come home to roost, but NOTHING they say can argue with a "changed life".  And everyone who has had a personal experience with the saving grace (unmerited favor) has a personal testimony of a changed life.  Now, in the court of law, every word is established by the mouth of two or three witness's.  When BILLIONS, throughout the ages have testified of a changed heart and a changed life, for some reason, that testimony is no good.

If 10 people, 100, people, 1000 people, 10,000 people all were to say, "Hey, we saw a UFO!"  We may argue about WHAT the UFO is, but no one would in fact attempt to convince 10,000 people that they did not see what they plainly saw.  So, my point is, is that this is no different.  EXCEPT, here we have BILLIONS of changed lives saying, "Hey, this receiving of Christ Jesus as Lord and Saviour is the REAL DEAL!"  And so it tickles me when a few "others" come along and try to disqualify the unified voices of "FAITHERS".  (LOVE, love, love that term!!)

Next, I wish to address the issue of faith.   It is AMAZING how many people take so much on faith everyday, yet they don't think twice about it.  But, apply that "faith" to the things of the Kingdom of God, and they again, begin to howl at the wind.  This too tickles me.  Let's take but ONE avenue of this thought.  Maxwell's equation.  Most here don't have the math skills to verify the math themselves, and those that do have the math skills, don't take the time.  No, instead they take it on "faith" that it is correct, based on the fact that others say it is correct and if it were not correct, someone else would have found that error and said something.  So they have "faith" it is correct, yet have not verified their ownselves.  Faith is taking anothers word on things or about things that one can not verify oneself, or does not choose to verify for whatever reason.  I used the example of the "brain" earlier and I'm not sure many understood the point I was making.  The point is this..... You believe you have a physical brain based on "reason", based on the fact that everyone else of your species has one, and theirs has sometimes been x rayed or operated upon, or autopsied.  Yet, IN FACT, they have never seen, felt nor heard their own brain tissue, but must accept the "reasonings of others" and their "OWN experience" of which points to the fact that they indeed have a brain.  So in fact, they are operating of faith. 

So, now, when I take the subject of a changed life, based upon what I have experienced and confirmed by the testimony of BILLIONS of others, that is not to be believed?  This too tickles me, if not so sad.

Next, let us take to them the evidence of BIBLE PROPHECY.  This they ignore, and glaze over, which tells me they REALLY are not interested in persuing truth, because the ramification of what they find they may not like.  This is not real science at all but pseudo science at best, trying to make science fit their own preconceptions of reality and anything that would challange that must be ridiculed and scorned.  If there were no TRUE God of the Bible, then not a SINGLE uttered prophecy would have been fulfilled, accurately, except by chance.  BUT again, since Bible Prophecy is ACCURATE 100% of the time, this presents a problem.  How could it possibly be accurate?  Time traveler?  Coincidence?  OR TRUE GOD!  But this brings them back to the paradox.  If they begin to examine this with unbiased thinking, they are likely to not like what they find because it does not fit their own preconceptions.  So their only option is to ignore and ridicule.  This is NOT the persuit of TRUTH (science in their venecular).

Lastly, we should remove the kickstand upon which their real golden idol lay, and that is the perpetuated lie of evolution and that man has evolved from some primal scum or from big foots cousin.  Though the actions and reasonings of some, one might argue this statement is true (sarcasm) alas it is not.  Let us take the simple example of a fish, evolving to have legs and then walking out of the sea.  From step 1, a fish, to step 2, a fish with legs walking out of the ocean, would require in the evolutionist mind, millions of years.  There would HAVE TO BE a fossil record NOT JUST of a fish, then one of a fish with legs, but a fossil record of EVERY STEP ALONG THIS EVOLUTIONARY PATH. 

But this is where it "REALLY GETS CRAZY", one would need a fossil table of such magnitude, not just for ONE species but FOR EVERY species.  Can CREATED (by the Word of God) things "adapt" (evolve) to adapt better to their habitat over the course of time?  Yes..  But to "adapt" is a far cry from "changing from one species to another".  This too tickles me.

Lastly, and this also tickles me, the "others" can look at a SIMPLE arrowhead and recognize that probably an indian somewhere made it.  Ask them why, and they say, that it has "design" and the waves and wind and time, might get something to look like a triangle, but this has design.  NOW, show them a picture of a human being with all of our millions of intricate parts, all working in perfect unity and purpose, and they say, "NO DESIGN".  Next show them the awesomeness and splendor of the universe, and they say, "NO DESIGN".  etcetera, ad nausua.  So again, this goes to the point above, THEY DONT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH because of the fear of what they might find.

I used to be an "other" and argue as a teenager, as they do now.  Thanks be to God, through His risen Son, Jesus Christ, who in His Grace (undeserved favor) has removed the blinders from my eyes and allowed me to see.  For truly, I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind, but now I see.

Oh, and P.S., the bible does NOT teach that the earth is 6000 years old, though some believers erroneously contend that, but it is simply because they have taken others words for it and not studied the scripture (in the Hebrew for old testament) for themselves and do not rightly divide the word of truth on this matter.

And I actually don't write to this board to "debate" the other posters, but to plant some good seeds in the hearts of the other readers, who indeed may earnestly be seeking truth and fulfillment in their life.  A life devoid of faith in God or in his son Jesus Christ, is a life that has no hope of eternal life.  And when people are without hope and without God, this is hoplessness.  And I would wish that upon no one.  What a sad and dried up life that once was....

Walking with Him always!   

Bruce

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AasMl1f1Qs&feature=autoplay&list=AL94UKMTqg-9DX9fYWb291yPaHBRiYmpbY&playnext=8

[Qwert]

Oh, and P.S., the bible does NOT teach that the earth is 6000 years old, though some believers erroneously contend that, but it is simply because they have taken others words for it and not studied the scripture (in the Hebrew for old testament) for themselves and do not rightly divide the word of truth on this matter.

B_TPU, I guess, your data is taken just from thin air. Here are my results, after Google-ing "universe age in hebrew bible" - just first three examples:
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c002.html
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2901/jewish/How-Old-is-the-Universe-According-to-Judaism.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

[Magluvin]

According to strict Bible followers, the age of the Universe is somewhat about ten thousand years, what is somewhat different to official science hypothesis which calculates the age for several billion years (since the Big Bang). Which one is the true one?

But, if(in your mind) God is able to create the universe, would it be only a seemingly fresh universe that takes millions or even billions of years to get to this point, or could he have created in with 'age' built in from the start? 

God set the stage. Infinite universe. Dinosaurs, Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, so the stage is set, along with a few huge asteroid hits and all the complex things that would make up  a case for evolution a possible thought.

In your mind, do you imagine that if there is that kind of intelligence that could create all this, wouldnt you say they did a pretty good job of it?

All im saying is, if you want to argue between creation time line and what science says of that time line, is it that hard to believe that if creation did happen, that it could have happened with all the ingredients that would include millions or billions of years of events including the big bang?

So the scientific timeline can be true either way, to scientists. If a stage is set, who is to say that it wasnt?

So what proof is there that says creation is impossible? 

Mags