Probality of God

[gravityblock]

Your views on Adam and Eve not being the first humans according to the bible is a view that attempts to cover up the obvious discrepancies in the bible. An apologists view.

http://bible.org/question/was-world-populated-through-incest-or-did-god-create-others-besides-adam-and-eve

The site above rejects that view and states very plainly..
"there is little doubt that Adam's sons and daughters had to have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth, "

I have already shown how their interpretation of the scripture leads to contradictions.  In addition to this, Adam and Eve didn't have any daughters at that time for Cain to marry in order for there to be any possibility of incest.

Gravock

[Gwandau]

DNA proves an Intelligent Designer (God). Nature can produce patterns, but it doesn't produce information with content.  If we received a sequence of prime numbers from outer space, then we would conclude the prime numbers were from an intelligent life form. DNA stores about 62,000,000,000 times as much data per cubic millimeter as a modern hard drive!  In addition to this, DNA double helix intrinsically codes for excited state Hoogsteen base pairs as a means of expanding its structural complexity beyond that which can be achieved based on Watson–Crick base-pairing so as to store even more information.  It is statistically impossibe for nature to randomly produce such a huge amount of information with content, and to organize all of this content together into a single small package!

Gravock

Gravock,

you are the first one in a thousand posts that actually have presented a scientifically valid argument in favor for an intelligent design behind our reality. Thank you for a substantial input. And I absolutely agree to such a possibility, personally I am convinced that the phenomenon of consciousness transcends physicality, thus indicating a dynamic matrix beyond "dead matter" theory.

But an intelligent design behind everything does not neccessarily mean it has to be a godlike entity behind it all. It could just as well indicate that universe itself is an eternally evolving living being, going through growth phazes in every big gnab/bang cycle into ever greater levels of consciousness, making all sentient beings in universe into fully active participants in the developement of the design.

There is however nothing whatsoever that indicates the need for any beginning or end in this process, universe could just as well be an eternal process. Only our own conceptual limitations demands for a beginning or an end to things, and this limitation makes the man made construct of a subjective god a temptation to the human mind.

So my respons is:     Yes! there is obviously more to it than mere chance.   But No! Nothing close to the personalized and limited image of the dogmatic god created by earthly religions.  An Intent of which we all are actively part of, yes, there is a high probability that we are all part of the creation of reality, just like the mystics always have proclaimed, an outlook on reality which today have been repeatedly confirmed by quantum physics.

Gwandau

[CuriousChris]

Gravock,

you are the first one in a thousand posts that actually have presented a scientifically valid argument in favor for an intelligent design behind our reality. Thank you for a substantial input. And I absolutely agree to such a possibility, personally I am convinced that the phenomenon of consciousness transcends physicality, thus indicating a dynamic matrix beyond "dead matter" theory.

But an intelligent design behind everything does not neccessarily mean it has to be a godlike entity behind it all. It could just as well indicate that universe itself is an eternally evolving living being, going through growth phazes in every big gnab/bang cycle into ever greater levels of consciousness, making all sentient beings in universe into fully active participants in the developement of the design.

There is however nothing whatsoever that indicates the need for any beginning or end in this process, universe could just as well be an eternal process. Only our own conceptual limitations demands for a beginning or an end to things, and this limitation makes the man made construct of a subjective god a temptation to the human mind.

So my respons is:     Yes! there is obviously more to it than mere chance.   But No! Nothing close to the personalized and limited image of the dogmatic god created by earthly religions.  An Intent of which we all are actively part of, yes, there is a high probability that we are all part of the creation of reality, just like the mystics always have proclaimed, an outlook on reality which today have been repeatedly confirmed by quantum physics.

Gwandau

First you say this...
"Only our own conceptual limitations demands for a beginning or an end to things, and this limitation makes the man made construct of a subjective god a temptation to the human mind."

And then you say this..
"Yes! there is obviously more to it than mere chance"

Do you see that the second statement is a reflection of the first?

It is the conceptual limitations of our minds and thinking that gives rise to "obviously more to it" I don't think there is anything obvious about it at all.

Like Mags said we are only just beginning to read the book of the universe. of course he conceitedly tried to imply that somehow we beleive we know it all. Such a joke considering Christian in general Actually claim to know it all.

[CuriousChris]

I have already shown how their interpretation of the scripture leads to contradictions.  In addition to this, Adam and Eve didn't have any daughters at that time for Cain to marry in order for there to be any possibility of incest.

Gravock

GravityBlock Thank you

You make my point so elegantly!

Yes there reading of the bible differs from yours, which differs from mine which differs from the jews which differs from every flavour of christianity and other bible based religions

So can you tell me how do you know YOUR interpretation is correct? I asked this befoore but you seemed to ignore it. Like Mags and Bruce and Chet and everyone else who has a hard question to ponder?

[gravityblock]

GravityBlock Thank you

You make my point so elegantly!

Yes there reading of the bible differs from yours, which differs from mine which differs from the jews which differs from every flavour of christianity and other bible based religions

So can you tell me how do you know YOUR interpretation is correct? I asked this befoore but you seemed to ignore it. Like Mags and Bruce and Chet and everyone else who has a hard question to ponder?

It doesn't lead to contradictions in other parts of the scripture, it's backed up by the Quran, and other ancient manuscripts, and it answers questions which other interpretations can not.  Also, it doesn't lead to incest in order to populate the world.  God is unfavorable to this act, it's not supported anywhere else in scripture, and any teachings saying other wise is a false teaching by the adversary.  I have studied outside of what was handed down and taught to me, and I have studied how the Hebrew and Greek words have been translated.  People do have a tendency to interpret the scripture according to how they would like things to be.  I think this is one reason for so many different interpretations along with be narrow or closed minded.  Pride is another reason for different interpretations.  People don't want to be shown how they are wrong, because they see it as an attack against there own intelligence.  Of course, there's always a chance my interpretation isn't totally correct.  If you can show me otherwise with a good argument, then I'll gladly reconsider and change my interpretation accordingly.  There is only one interpretation which is correct.  Seek and a you shall find.  Condemnation before investigation is folly.  God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He'll catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Gravock