Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[bajac]

Tak 22:


Thanks for your post..


It cost me $20000 in my personal funds and very signficiant time to learn this and do this.

Are we talking about U.S. dollars? What is "... do this" that cost so much?

The comment has been made that the Figuera device is likely massive. However, he traveled with it for exhibition so this seems
to put an upper limit on the size. Also, it seems that news articles might have commented on the size if it were significantly larger than
standard dynamos.

You brought in an intersting topic. I estimate the prototype of the 1908 Figueras apparatus to weight between 300 and 600 pounds (or even 1,000 lbs). It is now my believe that the larger the coils and cores, the easier it is to replicate the Figera's effects. That is why I am presently building larger cores of about a foot. I think the failure of the devices built by Kenyo, Woopi, and I is not only due to the wrong shapes of the iron cores but also to the small sizes.

Noted...
I assumed the apparatus that Bajac built worked...but more importantly I want to hear the results ( what did work - and why something didn't work ) frame by frame I watched Woopy and Kehyo... looked at what they did and what they use/d... I poured over the pictures that Bajac produced... examined and studied each frame each square inch of His work space...what He built...the equipment He uses ( the names of the equipment.... Not because I'm " dedicated "........but because I am " INTERESTED " I'm interested in finding how Clemente reached his conclusions...He must of sat there and watched motors spin ( or anything that spun ) for hrs... days... months...years or whatever until the machine and the mathematics melded......................................kinda like watching Led s light

I cannot say I Have an overunity generator, yet. Even though my tests indicate a power gain, they are too marginal for such a claim. I will only claim overunity whenever I have a self-running generators that can power heavy loads, as claimed by Mr. Figuera. I do not believe in overunity generators that can only turn on LED devices.


Nervertheless, I am very happy with the results. For example, the primary current of my device is independent of the secondary current. And in this case, I am not talking about marginal values, but rather, order of magnitude differences. This is an extremely important result that is considered an impossible event for the standard transformers and the mainstream science. IT IS THE KEY FOR OVERUNITY GENERATORS!


Bajac

[NRamaswami]

BajacC

What is US$20000. About 1.2 million Indian Rupees now and about spent over 27 months. I do not every thing myself and employ people to do things as I did not know any thing. For example I did not know what is voltage and what is amperage..Then Patrick wanted me to build a device and gave specs for that and we built it and every component of that electromagnetic device was built to his specs and he was satisfied. When we tested there was no electromagnetism. I used a variac and the variac fumed out. We then tried to make the device an electromagnet by connecting 200 x6 watts lamps in parallel and 200 x5 watts lamps in parallel. Zero electromagnetism..Patrick refused to believe me and I realized that the weakness is not knowing how to build magnets and electromagnets and I had to study and learn to build electromagnets and life and drop objects and at all and build permanent magnets and magnetize and demangnetise them. He then wanted us to build Figuera device and in between he retired and refused to answer mails. So we tried to build Figuera device ourselves and we had to learn. All coils were hand wound were heavy and this went on for many months and in by July 2013 we have learnt to make electromagnets well and in fact electromagnets that were very powerful and that would oscillate violently. We went to back to Figuera and no current came in identical poles and so had to reverse poles and then mofidied the central coil  as depicted in our pictures. We were getting results in a single core and not in all coils connected together. So we built a large single core coil and I realized that the flux availbale in the primary is being wasted and why it should be wasted and so I used it also  and we ended up with 630 no volts. We were stunned. We didnot expect so much voltage will come and then we connected to the earth to get the 620 and 20 amps figure.

Money is spent mainly on labour. This is a manpower intensive process. I did not know that we could wind using machines and even if is bought I would have asked my people to do this all as I had to focus on my practice. Labour does not come cheaply.

Your estimate of the 300 to 600 pounds weight is on nearly accurate side. We have found that the straight pole method of Buforn shown in the last patent to be the most efficient method. With all that we have had success off and on and some times the voltages fail to merge. So I looked at the principle and currently I have modified the device substantially and possibly we would get good results. let us see when I get it.
Trusted, honest and competent labour is not cheap. If you think that you can yourself modify the devices all on your own without helpers you can reduce your cost but about your time.

The reduced size Unit has about 2500 meters of 4 sq mm wires and about 200 kgm of soft iron. calculate the cost of it yourself.

I have bought lot of equipment that have gone waste. 3 people worked full time on this project apart from me.

Calculate the cost of 600 pound device you have in your mind along with the coils, cost of winding, cost of iron, time needed for testing, correcting etc etc. You will know how much this prloject will cost you then.  You would also know that you would have to put a lot of iron to prevent it from saturating and then many other things. We did not know at that time a R&D project of replicating a device is so costly. Had I known it I would not have ventured here. Calculate how much wire you would need, how much of current will have to flow through it and whether such current will saturate the iorn core. Then you put in more iron and make it bigger etc etc.

I moified and even last week and got 500 volts no load voltage in the secondary. I expect to get higher output results than input.

So this cost for a doing R &D project is not cheap. In material cost alone you are likely to spend $2000/-You would need about 2500 meters of wire. Check it and you would know.

[Doug1]

  What happens when the cart gets ahead of the horse? for 200 Alex.

[NRamaswami]

I'm sorry..I must apologize I made a mistake in my earlier post. We tried to connect 6 x 200 watts lamps connected in parallel in that attempt.

I must also apologize to tak22 for responding in a harsh way. See it is very expensive and very difficult to do things in this field. Theory is against the expected results or the objective of the experiments. We dare to go against the theory and experiment.  Expertise in some things do not come overnight. Especially in R&D Projects. In Electrical motors 300 to 500 Kg sizes are normal. Secondly many comments are made without even reading patent. Without intending to even make an effort to replicate making teasing comments is not fair. In any case I need not have responded harshly. Please accept my apologies.

Figuera Patent is very cleverly drafted. Buforn seems to be a very very intelligent Patent Attorney.  Figuera says that if we vary the strength of the current it wil result in magnetic flux. That variation is automatically present if you use AC. We need not use pulsed DC. If you use two primaries in series with the output coil placed in center the same effect happens when we apply AC.

I can confirm Bajacs statement that Lenz Law is not present in the center coil output.


How Lenz law is defeated in Figuera design..This is a reasoned analysis by a very Learned person on my use AC..

This is likely how the Lenz effect was mitigated. Let us take the coils P1 and P2 wound in the same direction. They will have the unlike poles facing each other at the centre. An alternating voltage is fed into the coils and from the wiring, live and neutral contacts are at the opposite ends of the the transformer (the secondary is in the centre of the two electromagnets created by the primary). During the +ve half of the AC cycle, the electromagnets are formed with unlike poles at the centre, say a N pole on the left of Central Secondary and S pole on the right of Central Secondary. So, Central Secondary is induced by the primary. The frequency is say 50Hz.  At the zero point of the AC cycle, just at the instant the voltage is rapidly switched, lenz effect kicks in generating a voltage (and magnetic flux) opposite that of the first half of P1 but just about the time the negative half of the Primary voltage is creating  magnetic flux and inducing Central Secondary but in the opposite direction to that of the first half of the cycle. This -ve cycle magnetic flux is reinforced by the back emf magnetic flux due to the first half cycle and the effect on the coil increases. If a load is placed on the secondary with this arrangement, similar reasoning can be used to assume that the lenz effect due to each Amp of current taken from the secondary will cancel out, ensuring that the load on the secondary does not influence the input. This sounds incredible." 

I can confirm that I have tested and the primary input remains the same. Whether the central secondary is loaded or not. Whatever be the load of the secondary the primary input is the same.

However I must most respectfully disagree with Bajac on transformers.

Transformer is an electrical device and it is designed to aid in the transmission of electricity. To reduce losses in tranmission it steps up the voltage from the generation point to the distribution point and steps down the voltage at the distribution point. For this it uses flux linking concept and for this purposefully it uses alternatively thinner secondaries of longer length and thicker secondaries of shorter length. It suffers from Backemf due to Lenz law which is normally present in all efforts. If you try to climb a mountain it is tough. This is similar to Lenz law opposition.

Lenz law is not present in certain situations. Electrically it is not present when the coils are wound between opposite poles. A simple example that can be given is that if we throw a stone from the top of the mountain the falling stone has no opposing force because it is attracted by gravity. Between mutually attracting poles or unlike poles or opposite poles Lenz law is absent. Figuera used this principle. This situation stops when the falling stone hits the flat surface. But when it reaches the bottom if the bottom were to turn up and and the top of the mountain were to become the bottom, stone will now have to go back towards to the point where it started due to gravity again. This is achieved by using AC. Figuera did the same thing by making the poles alternatively stronger and weaker. The Figuera design was obviously done to avoid Lenz law.

However Lenz law or counter emf or backemf can be very successfully used to make self sustaining generators. It was done by Daniel McFarland Cook in 1871. Therefore I must beg to disagree with the statement of Bajac that it is only when Lenz law is absent OU results can be obtained. My experiments show that it is possible to obtain such COP>1 results even with the presence of Lenz law effects. But they are so miniscule that it can be treated as manufacturing defect of meters.  Therefore in my earlier design I combined both to achieve cop>8 results but that design suffers from the normally known problems of combining voltages between multiple coils. So I have improved on it now with a simpler design.

I would request that let us share our experiences, knowledge and avoid indulging in oneupmanship statements or teasing others. It is actually frustrating. I had been told not even to come here and post and do my work but focus on research which I do part time as the need to make a living by focusing on my practice is more important to me. Be advised that the patent would take considerable skill to understand it and it is not what it appears to be on the surface.

Most people here have not still understood Figuera Patent. I myself did not until a few days ago. So I do not blame any one. Every drawing including the latest ones, made about the Figuera transformer todate misses two important elements of the design. 

[RandyFL]

Bajac,

I think the failure of the devices built by Kenyo, Wopi, and I is not only due to the wrong shapes of the iron cores but also to the small sizes.

Patrick stated that you increase the size of the wire on the secondary... ( maybe that was an assumption )
neither woopy or kehyo had showed that in the videos...

Even though my tests indicate a power gain

It has been my intention all along was/is to achieve a gain and then ( as Doug1 has stated ) to build to one's needs...........
Cheers