Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[RandyFL]

SolarLab,
Its quite refreshing to watch the mild mannered English professor and His views amongst the boxing arena we have here in the " Figuera Titleist Heavyweight Championship of the World " fight...

which reminds me...I better get back to my experimentations...

All the best

Ps. I agree with MadMack... the results of our work should determine who is right/correct ( no offense to anyone )

[MadMack]

Mack,


I assume you are referring to this book:


http://www.electricitybook.com/tesla-writings/tesla-high-freq-coil.pdf


What is the page where the passage can be found?


It is an interesting reading. But I wonder if we are comparing apples to apples. For instance, is the lower magnetic residual due to a lower magnetic field of the straight coil?

Bajac

Bajac,

If you are reading this, yes that is the book. The passage is in chapter 2, pages 3 & 4. Since it was printed in 1910 I feel it is representative of what was proper at the time the patents were written.

I meant only to point out a valid reason why straight cores may have been depicted in the patent and used in the actual device.

IMO all this arguing about different designs should be settled through experimental building and testing. After all, anything else is just speculation.

Mack

[NRamaswami]

@Madmack..Sir I agree with you.. Went through the quote in the book and it is correct. Magnetism goes through iron 50000 times more than in air and even the 1mm gap I considered testing was considered too much of loss by my mentors. As the book says and as you correctly pointed out the gap would make the magnetic field to collapse and that would cause Lenz effects.  I apologize for the mistake.

@Bajac..See this is the problem. After having done experiments for two years with continuous iron core, I find that your gap theory may not be able to avoid the Lenz law effects but in fact to the contrary make the magnetic field oscillation to synchornize with the electrical field oscillation and as Madmack has pointed out will cause the collapse of the magnetic field.. That is what causes back emf in the first place. I apologize for the mistake by me and I can say categorically that continous iron core is the best method and especially a smaller iron core with coils wound on a smaller iron core being placed between opposite poles of two large primary cores alone have been found by us to be best mode. In fact the coils have to be wound just to cover the iron and prevent the opposite poles from jumping at each other and If coils are wound well over the iron core their performance has degraded substantially. This is experimental data I have already posted.  For the same reason your comments on Thane heins being a degraded Figuera transformer may not be correct. I have not studied the Thane Heins transformer by experimenting with it and so I apologize that I cannot confirm much on that.

Since we learnt electromagnetism not by what is taught by books but by going against what is stated in books (what prevents a step up transformer to have larger wires but longer turns - uneconomical of course but what would be the result..COP<1 only as per transformer design but you put a secondary to go along with the primary and around the primary then you have COP>1. It is that easy. Repeatedly verified by us. Transformer mode or induction coil mode of one primary and one secondary is always COP<1. That we also verified.

I would suggest that real electromagnetism  principles are available in the old books and the first motionless generator was built in 1871 by Daniel McFarland Cook but it hides trade secrets but which are obvious to me now. The books after the second world war have not disclosed fully all magnetic concepts.

[bajac]

Once again, I have to come back but this time is for a good cause, I have to apologize to Hanon.

Someone sent me a message and pointed me to the mistake I had made. I took the 1914 Quote you posted on reply #2434 as your translation for the one I posted on reply #2427 for the 1910 patent. I normally do not react like I did, but considering you are the key person in this forum, and most important researcher and translator of the Figuera's history, I got very angry wrongly thinking that you have done such stupidity – risk your credibility for the sake of annoying me. Of course, knowing your work and thinking that you have done a bad translation on purpose, I could not believe my eyes. Happily however, it was I who was reading the forum with candles. It might be due to the tremendous amount of work I have with my private research projects and projects at my job.

I am sorry and I sincerely apologize for my behavior! And continue keeping this forum alive.

That being said, I will not post on the forum but before I do that I want to refer to Mack and SolarLab.

@Mack, SolarLab,
I am kind of impressed with your postings. I am under the impression that you have a formal education in physics and electricity. If that is the case and you would like some challenging research work, I would be glad to share with you some of my ongoing research work. It requires knowledge of electric machines and electromagnetic theory. I would like to form a small team so we can generate ideas about their interpretations and solutions. If the answer is yes to the proposal above, please, send me a personal message because I will not be coming into this forum.

I cannot leave without a word to NR. It would be very helpful if you show your work in the form of pictures and videos. Less talking more showing. In addition please, read my posts again about the gaps. I have never said that the voltage induced in the Y coils is zero, but that the magnetic flux moving across between N and S coils induces zero volts in the Y coils. The portion of the flux that does not do the cross-talking will induce a voltage in the Y-coil. However, it will be a much smaller voltage and power similar to the Thane Heins Bitt transformer. If you bridge the gaps of the Figuera's 1908 generator you will end up with the Bitt transformer. The Bitt should have a much lower power density than the Figuera's 1908 generator.

It is interesting to note how they keep changing the size and materials of the closed path core in the Bitt transformer. The latter is an effort to get some results by changing the reluctance of the different magnetic paths connecting the three coils. Figuera solved this inefficiency issue by increasing the reluctance of the magnetic path connecting the three coils by adding the gaps. The Bitt effort is another attempt to re-invent the wheel, a wheel that was already shown to the world by Mr. Figuera in 1908. See the attached pictures and notice the location of the three coils and the closed magnetic path. If you want to build the Bitt transformer is OK, but I think you would be better off doing it in the Bitt transformer thread.

From the bottom of my heart, I wish you good luck in your experiments! So long Guys.

[NRamaswami]

Bajac:

I have no problem showing videos, pictures, construction notes etc. I offered to assist any replicator who wants to replicate. Less than a handful of people contacted me. Less talking more working is what my mentors tell me. Before I post any videos or pictures my mentors around the world want me to meet certain standards. My mentors in India would allow me to post videos, pictures and constructon notes only after validation by Labs ( two different labs in India). Until that time I cannot and will not post videos and pictures and full construction notes. You need to recongize that formal education in Electricity and Magnetism is misleading. I'm pleased with the post and wish you Good Luck in your research projects.