UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[tinman]

Hi Tinman,
You have spoken some true and pivotal words, it is important to keep your feet on the ground. This is easy to do when you are on the fringe.
At the same time it is a different story for someone who is in the heat of the action, right in the middle of it all. His closeup involvement changes all.
All his eggs are in that basket, he might know that not all eggs are good for an omelet but there you come and want to mess with those eggs, you are asking for trouble and that you will get,  this is not so difficult to understand.  It is never nice to see "that good idea" of the last 12 month's obsession being trampled upon.

I call this the human factor,  give it some time and do some prodding peace meal, not too much in one go and the right responses will be received to answers these more difficult questions.  Because in the end OU would cook you an omelet, easy over.

The best OU test is frying omelets, pancakes, make coffee in the middle of a parking lot with an electric pan.  No meters, no batteries anywhere.  Only some nice smelling breakfast.  Now that is a indisputable OU test!

Lets remember that it is easier to breakdown an idea, that it is to bring one to the table.  An unrealized shared idea obviously needs help to get it to full realization,  constructive building criticism is needed here, so gently does it !

Gently would have probably been a better option.But the reason i joined the thread in the first place was because i actualy believed in UFO's work.
But then came the scream of !! overunity galore !!.What i saw after that was guy's spending money on kit's,so as to get this overunity galore for them self's.
My gentle approach turned into more of a !!hang on guys!! approach. (probably my mistake)

I have seen this happen all to often,and im sure many have aswell.
The kit's them self are a great base for doing some testing of your own,but there was no need to imply that they could achieve overunity if built right-as that has in no way been proven.

We would all be asked the same question's that i asked UFO,if we made that overunity claim aswell.
But that would be a claim i would never make,unless i could back it up with absolute proof-and it had been replicated by atleast 2 other people.
But time will tell,and many have there kit's now-so we shall see the outcome soon enough.

On another note:-I wish you all a merry Xmas.

[Ian Koglin]

TK,

I just read the following quote from UFO on 8-18-12:

"NOW WHEN IT COMES TO TESTING MY MACHINES , MY DESIGN IN ORDER TO COMPARE THEM, CRITICIZE THEM, ANALYZE THEM OR WHATEVER...I RESERVE ENTIRELY THE RIGHT TO APPROVE OR NOT TO APPROVE ANY OF THOSE TESTINGS, IF THEY ARE NOT DONE, MADE OR EFFECTED ACCORDING TO MY SPECIFICATIONS, MY EXPLANATIONS AND MY FINAL DECISIONS."


Oh well...

PW

G'Day picowatt
By taking just one part of a conversation you here are I am sure KNOWINGLY you are trying to discredit UFO It looks like You intentionaly forgot to explain what UFO was saying here.

All the experimenters were discussing thier own Ideas of how to test the motors they had Modified some had not modified according to his disclosure on how to modify them and some were putting forward thier results as they had tested thier own machines thier own way and were trying to compare the results.
UFO had explained that the tests need to be done using the standard for measuring the energy output of any machine and that is to measure the brake horsepower and this can only be done by using a recognized Peony testing machine and he has shown on the same forum even how to make one of these machines and explained how to use it correctly so as to take the proper measurements so as to do the proper calculations to arrive at the Brake Horsepower value of these machines. and by doing so everyone would be comparing thier machines correctly.

So picowatt if you are going to use someones comments Please do not take them out of context If you do then your comment is truly a lie.

I rember hearing once a proverb it said  IF YOU TELL A LIE ONCE NOBODY WILL EVER BELIEVE YOU AGAIN EVEN IF YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH.


I Wrote in post 76
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I joined this thread as I thought people were interested in what UFO was doing and I thought I might be of some help

So to You all here If you want I will continue to show my progress here but will not anymore comment to anyone else who make a negative comment without actually making his own replication and showing his results.
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This time I could not really help my self I do not tell lies and  just do not like to see other people tell lies just to try to discredit someone I thought people on these forums wanted to learn and help each other understand

So Now Picowatt I feel now as still reading on after my previous post that consequence of my posting here would be taken out of context or ridiculed and or I will not post my progress of my replication of UFO's or any other of my projects here I will not post anything here again

Kindest Regards to you all who are interested
I am on UFO's lists and I do show my results there where they are  appreciated and if you are interested in my progress you can see them there

Kogs

[TinselKoala]

Koalas have proverbs too, you know. One of ours goes, "If you make crazy mistakes in your power measurements, and have misconceptions about Ohm's Law, don't understand the relationship between Voltage, Current, Resistance and Power, and don't think SLA batteries can "generate" over 40 amps,  and don't understand the difference between a true Tesla Bifilar winding and one that cancels magnetic fields and inductance, for example ...... then there is no reason to believe you when you make claims of electrical overunity."
Or something like that. It's much more poetic in the original.

[TinselKoala]

@Red: The problem here is similar to a problem we have discussed before. Only here, there are not only no sausages, but also no eggs for your omelet. What you are being shown, and told "Look! Egg!", isn't an edible egg at all. Get up close to it and take a good look.... it smells a bit, and you can see that there are definite toxic parts in the mix that are totally unpalatable. You can do all the cooking in the parking lot you like, but without a real, unspoiled egg, you get..... a big eggshaped zero.

[ramset]

Kogs
I live by another rule,"the truth shall set you free".
In this Case the ultimate truth will prevail,and I find it quite commendable that you make a stand for that !
I personally would be sorely Dissapointed by your departure under these circumstances,especially given that post of yours explaining the Proper Context of UFO's Measurement Quote.

You are his Champion here ,it can be a cruddy Job but somebody has to do it!
HOLD!! !! !! !! !!
Do not yield the ground !!

Thx
Chet
PS
If you must depart for your own sanity sake ,[I am mostly insane /numb to this place from over exposure]
And you happen to become aware of any other untruths/deceptive postings
Send me an Email at Chetkremens@gmail.com