Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

You have indeed made many CLAIMS wrt Travis and his alleged devices. Just like Travis did, when the going gets tough for you, you want to stop communicating instead of supporting your CLAIMS with solid data, logical arguments, checkable outside references to valid sources, and repeatable demonstrations of your own.In the first place that is not a grammatical English sentence so I can only attempt to decode it.
In the second place you are, as usual, misrepresenting what is being said to you. What "the Wayne skeptics" have been demanding is NOT a video "giving Zed working knowledge". We have videos of a couple of Travis's devices "working" already, and we had the Flash animation that he has removed, after the name change and the lawsuit. What we are demanding is _data that supports the claims_ and that can be verified and repeated independently. That is, the usual stuff that anyone demands from anyone else with a radical claim. We would especially like to see, up close and personal, the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" (Travis's own words). Yes, a video of that system, along with some data that supports the OU claim made for it, would be helpful. But why didn't Travis show this system to Mark Dansie on either of his site visits? Why haven't we ever seen anyone's report of this system? I know why, and so do you: it doesn't exist.
On the contrary, the video provided sufficient information to determine that the device is faked, not doing what the claimant said it is doing. As usual the video revealed more than the (amateur) hoaxer wanted to reveal. The type and extent of the deformation of the SPRING SHAFT COUPLING clearly shows that the "generator" is driving the "magnet motor", not the other way around. Had the claimants not inadvertently provided close-ups of the spring in the two conditions, running and not running, we would not be certain, but the spring is, to my mind, a definite "tell" that blows Kahloon out of the water entirely. Like Mylow's fishing line drive, only even easier to see once you know what to look for.
Your strawman raises its head again. No contradiction. Any video is bound to reveal as well as to conceal. The videos we have of the Travis items in action reveal much that Travis didn't intend, and do indeed contain "tells", but they are not necessary and aren't what "Wayne's skeptics" really want, as discussed above.
If you are talking about Kahloon's video.... whether his device is real or not is certainly NOT immaterial, and his videos are indeed very informative and are not "enigmas" at all. They clearly show, as I have explained, the "smoking gun" that proves his fakery, if not exactly how power is delivered to the system. But even without that there is still much information in those videos that raises doubt, and not much that makes one confident in the claims.
Or rather, your fake interpretations and misrepresentations of our posts do. 

Your tactics are so transparent, Red. 

Tinsel > That was a lot of writing, the truth must have gotten too close to home.
MarkE > Webster definition of ENIGMA :  "something that is difficult to understand or explain".  The question was not if you can see it as Fake or Not.   It would be irrelevant to the argument
PowerCat said ><the rest of us challenge you to produce some proper evidence>.  If that was so, why did you ignore the invitation?

The claim reference was addressing the previous mail by MarkE that referred to the "Wasif Kahloon" video's, not to the Wayne Travis, but that didn't stop you both to pull Travis into the picture ( transperent....or murky... maybe somewhat)

Although the video link was not in support of a claim, it was only an example in the demonstration of a point. Still puzzled to what insults and evidence have to do here.

Red_Sunset you posted the video link as support for your claims.  It didn't provide any support.  You can carry on as you have with back handed and/or direct insults.  If that's all you can come up with then so be it.  It's a poor substitute for actual evidence.

Yes, I need to agree that our communication is becoming too predictably transparent.
So let bury the axe......?

Red_Sunset

[MarkE]

Tinsel > That was a lot of writing, the truth must have gotten too close to home.

MarkE > Webster definition of ENIGMA :  "something that is difficult to understand or explain".  The question was not if you can see it as Fake or Not.   It would be irrelevant to the argument

There is nothing difficult to explain.  The device is an obvious hoax.  The claimed motor is not driving a generator that then supplies the loads shown.

PowerCat said ><the rest of us challenge you to produce some proper evidence>.  If that was so, why did you ignore the invitation?

Over and over people including myself have asked you to present evidence of the surplus energy generation that you claim.  Each time you have declined.  The offer / request remains open.  Keep dodging and/or refusing or present actual evidence as you see fit.  By obstinately refusing to provide evidence you make your claims very weak.

The claim reference was addressing the previous mail by MarkE that referred to the "Wasif Kahloon" video's, not to the Wayne Travis, but that didn't stop you both to pull Travis into the picture ( transperent....or murky... maybe somewhat)
Yes, I need to agree that our communication is becoming too predictably transparent.
Let bury the axe......

Red_Sunset

It was your choice to bring in the terribly bad fake demonstrations by Wasif Kahloon.  You associated those videos with Wayne Travis. Why you keep chasing yourself in circles remains a mystery.

[Red_Sunset]

.......................................................Why you keep chasing yourself in circles remains a mystery.

because none of your comments are directly relevant to the discussion at hand.

[MarkE]

That came out of the file I posted.

We will start from state2 and move the medium  to the start condition, allow for the start condition to move up and become state2.

I will have to go looking for that file.
Are you OK with filling both the top bubble and the annular cavity with our "air" by the end of State 2?
What mechanism would you like to use to go from State 2 to the starting condition?  We could for example add a vent valve to the top of the cylinder.
What external work would you like to do, and in which state would you like to do it?

[powercat]

PowerCat said ><the rest of us challenge you to produce some proper evidence>.  If that was so, why did you ignore the invitation?

By invitation I take it you mean travelling to Wayne's premises to see his device, Wayne already has somebody capable of this task (Mark Dansie) but as we all know Wayne is scared of verification and has lied and broken his promises on numerous occasions over the last two years.

If Mark Dansie can't get access to verify Wayne's device why would you think of suggesting I should go ?