Big try at gravity wheel

[powercat]

MarkE,
It is to our mutual benefit that we do no longer engage in communication,  we always appear to miss each others points.
I did not make any CLAIM, neither did I mention anything about support information.

You're the one missing the point, and yes you are making a CLAIM, you claim that Wayne's device works and produces excess energy, you also claim you know how to make over-unity, there are only two people that agree with you,  Wayne and the $2000 member, the rest of us challenge you to produce some proper evidence. 


As for the rest of your post.

[TinselKoala]

MarkE,
It is to our mutual benefit that we do no longer engage in communication,  we always appear to miss each others points.
I did not make any CLAIM, neither did I mention anything about support information.

You have indeed made many CLAIMS wrt Travis and his alleged devices. Just like Travis did, when the going gets tough for you, you want to stop communicating instead of supporting your CLAIMS with solid data, logical arguments, checkable outside references to valid sources, and repeatable demonstrations of your own.

The point was:
The Wayne skeptics have been demanding a video,  giving ZED working knowledge has been refused since it violates the conservation laws.

In the first place that is not a grammatical English sentence so I can only attempt to decode it.
In the second place you are, as usual, misrepresenting what is being said to you. What "the Wayne skeptics" have been demanding is NOT a video "giving Zed working knowledge". We have videos of a couple of Travis's devices "working" already, and we had the Flash animation that he has removed, after the name change and the lawsuit. What we are demanding is _data that supports the claims_ and that can be verified and repeated independently. That is, the usual stuff that anyone demands from anyone else with a radical claim. We would especially like to see, up close and personal, the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" (Travis's own words). Yes, a video of that system, along with some data that supports the OU claim made for it, would be helpful. But why didn't Travis show this system to Mark Dansie on either of his site visits? Why haven't we ever seen anyone's report of this system? I know why, and so do you: it doesn't exist.

The reason for Wasif video was:
Here is a video with no other information, no working knowledge.

The conclusion
The Wasif video means less than nothing, because it provides nothing. It has no value without working knowledge.

On the contrary, the video provided sufficient information to determine that the device is faked, not doing what the claimant said it is doing. As usual the video revealed more than the (amateur) hoaxer wanted to reveal. The type and extent of the deformation of the SPRING SHAFT COUPLING clearly shows that the "generator" is driving the "magnet motor", not the other way around. Had the claimants not inadvertently provided close-ups of the spring in the two conditions, running and not running, we would not be certain, but the spring is, to my mind, a definite "tell" that blows Kahloon out of the water entirely. Like Mylow's fishing line drive, only even easier to see once you know what to look for.

The contradiction:  Although Wayne's skeptics think it is everything in the ZED case. 

Your strawman raises its head again. No contradiction. Any video is bound to reveal as well as to conceal. The videos we have of the Travis items in action reveal much that Travis didn't intend, and do indeed contain "tells", but they are not necessary and aren't what "Wayne's skeptics" really want, as discussed above.

It is immaterial if what was shown in the video is real or not, at this point it is an enigma
I hope you see the point

If you are talking about Kahloon's video.... whether his device is real or not is certainly NOT immaterial, and his videos are indeed very informative and are not "enigmas" at all. They clearly show, as I have explained, the "smoking gun" that proves his fakery, if not exactly how power is delivered to the system. But even without that there is still much information in those videos that raises doubt, and not much that makes one confident in the claims.

I do not want to discourage you with your current exploration of Wayne's piston but I hope you also see the point, that Yours & TKs current posts contradict your previous statements.

Red_Sunset

Or rather, your fake interpretations and misrepresentations of our posts do. 

Your tactics are so transparent, Red. 

[Marsing]

....... and Volume B in the annular gap between the piston OD and the inverted cylinder ID.

ok, i see,

i did not think there was a gap nor cylinder is volumeless.
so i thought there is only Volume A filled  with air.

with that condition, i agree displaced water : A + B   

next, same as minnie, i see no atmospheric pressure involved.

[MarkE]

   Mark,
          In reply 962 is atmospheric pressure involved?
              Thank you,
                            John.

Minnie, because everything is submerged in the local atmosphere, and we have stipulated no compressible materials, the local atmospheric pressure cancels out of any work.  For example air taken from just above the water to pump down is at 1 ATM, and the total pressure at the bottom of the tank is the weight per sq cm of the water plus 1 ATM.  So the work done pumping air down is still just the weight of the displaced water multiplied by the height of the water.

[MarkE]

Lets keep going this way, this is how I keep going about it.

I got a little lost in the responses since my last,, oh well.

Here is a graph from a ZED run.

Webby what are those supposedly representing:  Measurements?  If so of what, taken where?
Is the horizontal axis time, or displacement or?

I think that we now have a starting condition and state 2 drawing that we can refer to that meets your intent.  If not I am happy to continue to refine the drawing until it does.  If the drawing does not require more updates, then are we going to go from the starting condition to state 2 and back to the starting condition, or will se start and end at state 2?