Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

Top of raised cylinders 150mm depth, bottom of lower cylinders 315mm

Since there are 2 items under the same conditions AND with the compressibility of air being MORE prevalent for the open cylinder I did not feel it would be a detriment  to not consider that, the change in energy would be greater for one than the other, not in favor of the displacement replacement.

Webby we can perform the analysis setting aside the compressibility of air for the moment.  For purposes of the thought problem I am fine just treating it as an incompressible fluid with a negligible density.  The important point is that we have to exert work to force that fluid from the water surface down to the bottom of the inverted outer cylinder.  As we progress through the problem we will find that work that we do is the work that becomes available to us lifting that inverted outer cylinder and any load that we connect to it.

[MarkE]

No MarkE,
You choose the wrong door.   Compiling posts take time,  but there is not point in spending time when there is no comparable return.  In the end we live from a bi-directional exchange.
When you don't receive any real benefit in any type or form, then there is no point to continue, that is the bottom line.

Just for curiosity, here is an invention that satisfies all apparent requirements our demanding members want.
A physical PROOF video.
A demonstration of a loaded Mag motor (resistive load, lamps and heater), he even takes it outside and turns it over.  What proof is this if you have no clue who it possibly works ?
How can this assumed "PROOF" demonstration means something without understanding the working guts.
Although the skeptics here are not interested in the guts but want a physical video only ?   
Do you agree that he has THE OU SOLUTION ?   
Please can you explain and clarify that viewpoint to me.

Wasif Kahloon
Video 1:  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1asgtf_challange-to-the-engineers_tech
Video 2:   http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18eddh_magnet-machine-which-produces-endless-mechanical-and-electrical-energy_auto

What information am I short of, for not believing what I am seeing?

Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset there is a separate thread for Wasif's fraudulent demonstrations.  You can find a full explanation of his fraud on that thread.

[TinselKoala]

What information am I short of, for not believing what I am seeing?

Red_Sunset

Just looking at my closeup screengrabs of the spring coupling, a consideration of the direction of the rotation wrt the spring's coils, and the shaft torque required to produce a couple of kW of power at 80 rpm......  This will tell you which unit is driving, and which unit is being driven.

[MarkE]

Exactly, that is what I am doing, identifying the setup cost, then identify the cycle cost and then identify the output return.

So the way I do it I get an 86 percent return for the displacement replacement and a 33 percent return for the open cylinder, this is for the cycle cost to output.

EDIT

Dang it! I have 86 stuck in my head,, that should be 83

Webby I get 14.8mJ in that gets turned into 14.8mJ of GPE in the water.  I haven't seen any energy come out yet.

[TinselKoala]

Webby I get 14.8mJ in that gets turned into 14.8mJ of GPE in the water.  I haven't seen any energy come out yet.

Could you please show your working? I'm sure it would be instructive to see just how you worked the problem.

(Never mind, I found it, on the previous page. Thanks!)