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BRAZIL - Company is building a Gravity Generator http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Started by schuler, May 13, 2013, 09:19:51 AM

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Red_Sunset

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 14, 2015, 03:25:35 PM
God's magic hand ... bends down periodically this strong beam.

Supposed the only energy supply needed to keep that children's swing going is the energy that dissipates due to the friction of the pivot and the air. Then what energy is causing that periodic bending of that beam? Does God know?

So as it seems I was a bit mistaken about the spinning Whip-Top. That perpetual motion or so-called superior force, that children play in the lane with, is actually a pendulum or children's swing. But I was not really far off in that case.


Happy swinging :)
Zeit,

It appears that the centrifugal force is moving the pivot because it doesn't have a solid anchor point. Effectively elongating the radius of the swing as it near the vertical as you see the bending.
The same motion like as is caused by the imbalanced weight of a vibrator.  It is not a free force !
The more bending, the more effort the kid need to provide.
This can be verified easily with a vibration test on a small electric motor,

Red_Sunset

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 14, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
It appears that the centrifugal force is moving the pivot because it doesn't have a solid anchor point.

This does not matter. The continuously needed energy to keep a pendulum going is the energy which compensates the pendulum's friction. That friction is independent of the bob's weight. On the other hand, the bending of the beam is a direct result of the bob's weight. The more weight the more bending the more force.

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 14, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Effectively elongating the radius of the swing as it near the vertical as you see the bending.

The effective radius of the swing does also not matter, because it compensates. When the bob swings down, the beam bends down, so the bob can collect more gravitational energy, because it falls a bit deeper. When the bob swings up, it loses that extra energy, because the beam goes up, so the bob has to move a bit higher.

And what if the beam would be stronger and that beam would not bend? Then the oscillating bending force would still be present, wouldn't it?

Furthermore the same basic principle is already proven to work here: Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator

And there is just another free energy machine apparently working on the same pendulum principle: Finsrud perpetual motion machine

As it looks, the Kapanadze/Stepanov devices are also based on the same two-stage oscillator principle but in form of electric versions. 

So, nice try anyway, but I think the age of oil will come to an end soon.

BTW: I don't think someone is building in Brazil a gravity generator that size without knowing for sure what he is doing.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 15, 2015, 04:20:05 AM
This does not matter. The continuously needed energy to keep a pendulum going is the energy which compensates the pendulum's friction. That friction is independent of the bob's weight. On the other hand, the bending of the beam is a direct result of the bob's weight. The more weight the more bending the more force.

The effective radius of the swing does also not matter, because it compensates. When the bob swings down, the beam bends down, so the bob can collect more gravitational energy, because it falls a bit deeper. When the bob swings up, it loses that extra energy, because the beam goes up, so the bob has to move a bit higher.

And what if the beam would be stronger and that beam would not bend? Then the oscillating bending force would still be present, wouldn't it?

Furthermore the same basic principle is already proven to work here: Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator

And there is just another free energy machine apparently working on the same pendulum principle: Finsrud perpetual motion machine

As it looks, the Kapanadze/Stepanov devices are also based on the same two-stage oscillator principle but in form of electric versions. 

So, nice try anyway, but I think the age of oil will come to an end soon.

BTW: I don't think someone is building in Brazil a gravity generator that size without knowing for sure what he is doing.

Hi Zeit,
From your writing it appears that you see the bending as a unexplained force,  this magical property is usually due to the unknown. Once the setup is understood, the magic unfortunately disappears.
What do we have: 
We have a pendulum who's pivot sags as it passes through the vertical, this changes the drop distance but this also means that the rise distance is increased the same.  This picture is somewhat analogous to a off-centered & unbalanced flywheel mounted on a shaft that is mounted flexible and allows vibration. the radius the unbalanced weight travels is greater than the radius of the same but balanced wheel.  The bending of the beam, can be also seen as the centrifugal force over-powering the centripetal force through the pivot movement (as a weak pivot), this causes effectively for the centripetal force to lessen as the weight induces the highest centrifugal force in the swing (the vertical) 

The effective radius matters and is the essence of your story,  you have a variable radius pendulum and without looking at formulas,  I would guess that your beam is like a spring that is deformed by the additional energy force created by the increased drop distance.  And on the rise you return back to the beam what you borrowed initially on the way down.  If the beam wouldn't bend, you would have a standard constant radius pendulum with its regular centrifugal and centripetal forces in  balance over the full arc swing.

The centrifugal & centripetal forces are always present,  a movable pivot will cause an imbalance in these 2 forces.

The Brazil RAR system is not a pendulum, a pendulum swings and returns on the same swing path, the back and forth motion duration is timed by its makeup.
Ribeiro's system is a weight system that operate a wheel that turns consecutive 360dgrs.  The system objective relies on increasing downward arc torque vs minimizing upward force requirements by manipulating/modifying the arc forces at play in each quadrant. 

I agree with you that one wouldn't think that someone would build a system this big in Brazil and later in USA without knowing for sure what he is doing.   
It is claimed that he has a working proof of concept model,  the question here would be, "is it a working model" or is it a model that promises a possible working condition if enlarged to the size size seen in the pictures?   
Also why would someone build a 2de system before the 1st system is complete or proven to work with all modifications that took place during the building process.  This might not be accurate but information shared makes us believe these inconsistencies.   Who knows what goes on and for what reasons?

Red_Sunset


Zeitmaschine

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 15, 2015, 05:45:57 AM
This picture is somewhat analogous to a off-centered & unbalanced flywheel mounted on a shaft that is mounted flexible and allows vibration.

An excentrical flywheel (vibrator driven by a motor) has absolutely nothing to do with the state of weightlessness of a pendulum's bob!

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 15, 2015, 05:45:57 AM
The centrifugal & centripetal forces are always present,  a movable pivot will cause an imbalance in these 2 forces.

This is another wrong statement. At the turning point of the bob there is nothing. No weight, no centrifugal force, no centripetal force. The bob (even if a few tons) hovers in zero gravity for a moment in time. And essentially that's the kick when swinging in a children's swing.

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 15, 2015, 05:45:57 AM
The Brazil RAR system is not a pendulum, a pendulum swings and returns on the same swing path, the back and forth motion duration is timed by its makeup.

Then how do you explain the principle of work of the Finsrud and the Milkovic devices? They are proven to generate OU.

As we can see, the magic fortunately does not disappear. :)

FatBird

Brazil started building that MONSTROSITY 2 years ago.
Does anybody have any info or pictures of it running yet?

http://www.rarenergia.com.br/

Can you imagine how many BEARINGS that Wear Out & NEED REPLACING as time marches on?
They could have bought one of Don Smith's units with No Moving Parts.
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