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New generator patent using environment temperature to generate power

Started by RedEagle, June 26, 2013, 01:24:04 AM

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Do You Think this device will work?

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Voting closed: June 29, 2014, 12:10:18 AM

LibreEnergia

Quote from: profitis on July 02, 2013, 11:29:01 PM
@libre,the walls of the isothermal thought-box and evrything in it are the emitters and receivers of the ambient infrared,thers no need to do the experiment as it even works in thought...

Except you omit to mention such an experiment  even in thought could only work if inside the box was NOT a true isothermal environment. In your case the emitters will cool, the receivers will heat, but overall the entropy of the box will increase.

This means the heat energy will ON AVERAGE become more dispersed throughout the box even though a part of it is locally heating.

If the environment is also adiabatic, then over time that energy will be come equally dispersed throughout it and even the localised heating will stop. 

One of the logical conclusions of that is a machine such as the subject of this thread (or in fact any device) cannot cause itself to 'self run' . At best it will have an efficiency less than one and at best determined by the difference in temperature between the hot and cold reservoir of heat.


DaS Energy

One of the logical conclusions of that is a machine such as the subject of this thread (or in fact any device) cannot cause itself to 'self run' > Not correct.  CO2 absorption fridge turbine puts out more wattage than needed for heating itself. 456KW in 720KW out.

sparks

     In most boiler systems you create a column of steam creating a conductive medium.  Then the boiler agitates the molecules in the boiler which randomly strike the outlet of the boiler and transfer this agitation to the steam column.  The column is a conduit very much like a piece of wire.   The radiator at the end of the column then transfers some of the agitation of the boiler molecules to agitation of the water molecules in our bodies.  In an electrical system we have the column prepared for us.   We create agitation of the free electrons on the boiler end to cause agitation of electrons at the radiator end.  This is how one wire transfer of energy by using hi-voltage induction coils works.  The pressure of the column is increased to allow for the conduit to be decreased in mass to energy transfer capacity.   A steam column at 2000 degrees can be much smaller than one at 300 degrees to transfer the same amount of BTU'S.  A wire at 30,000volts can transfer more watts per unit mass than the same wire at 10volts,    You will note there is no flow in this system of the medium itself.  No electrons are entering the wire at point A and exiting at point B.  There is however transfer of energy from the electron agitator to the electrons in the radiator.   The electron kinetic energy of the boiler  (Earth) is transferred to electron energy in the radiator (terminal) by use of a conductor.
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sparks

Quote from: DaS Energy on July 03, 2013, 01:03:52 AM
One of the logical conclusions of that is a machine such as the subject of this thread (or in fact any device) cannot cause itself to 'self run' > Not correct.  CO2 absorption fridge turbine puts out more wattage than needed for heating itself. 456KW in 720KW out.


   This is a heat engine.   It is dependent only on the energy density of the boiler compared to the energy density of the condensor.
As long as the energy density of the boiler is greater than the energy density of the condensor it will run. 
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/mst/features/2013/130416-tapping-into-the-oceans-power.html

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DaS Energy

Correct! Pressure induction of movement.
CO2 natural liquid  refrigerant only itself in boiler. Heated low or high pressure force against a blockade, taking so much energy to move aside heat is lost causing a pressure drop. So inducing movement. The pursuit of atmospheric cold is better spent at atmospheric hot.