Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[MileHigh]

Chet:

You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.  Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse.  Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.

There is a conundrum for you to contemplate:  Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me.  You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts."  But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake.  It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is.  Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.  You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.  Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times.  GDS Technologies comes to mind right away.  The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September.  There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals.  Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.

Choice quotes from Clarence from EF:

I have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.

I would like for all members to know that this device will simply NOT work with out the needed ground rod set up. It just wont!
another thing to keep in mind is that this unit is not cheap to build. I would estimate that about 2000.00 (dollars) went into mine possibly more.
also the location that the member is in will determine how well the unit performs and how many ground rods he will need. that's also a lot of physical work to be done.

So it's going to work.  It will cost you $2000.  You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence.  Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?

I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card.  If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.

The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.  However, eventually things will change.  Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.

And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CASghTzNhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJVTHIyyM2E

[tinman]

Chet:


MileHigh

You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.

Indeed he is,and has gone out of his way on many occasions to help other's.

Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse.  Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.

I think it's more-->leave no stone unturned. Look into and follow up on every possibility that may help man kind.

There is a conundrum for you to contemplate:  Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me.  You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts."  But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake.  It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is.  Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.

Here i would say he is more like me. Listen to those that have the best chance at knowing what is going on,but always wait and see what the outcome is. We have seen this mistake many times in history. Many so called experts said heavier than air machines could never fly,when all they had to do was look into the sky and see heavier than air birds flying all over the place. Man could not travel at speeds in excess of 50MPH ,as he wouldnt be able to breath. Always listen,but let the results speak for them self. Unfortunately,Clarence refused to show result's,and this is when all the trouble started. The fact is,if you make a claim of OU-self running devices,then you have to be prepaired to back up those claims with accurate data.

You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.

I dont think this is correct. It's more as i stated above-->listen ,but let the results speak for them self.-->All we need now is results

Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times.  GDS Technologies comes to mind right away.  The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September.  There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals.  Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.

From our point of view-yes,but from Chet's perspective-->man has been wrong many time's before,and it's just a matter of time before he is wrong again.
You have to ask your self MH,is a !so called! OU device going to make any sense to those that know modern day physics ?.

So it's going to work.  It will cost you $2000.  You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence.  Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?

I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card.  If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.

This seems to be inline with all the other devices that have a specific location factor that is required for the device to opperate as shown.

The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.

And this very thing i just presented in my last two day long experiment with a 12v battery that was in ver poor condition. 12 to 13 watts of output for 36 hours at a voltage between 7&8V on a 12v 12 AH battery that wouldnt even hold a charge of more than 12 volts due to being badly sulphated.

However, eventually things will change.  Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.

And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."

So far that has been the case.
But the day will come when the educated will learn something new.

[ramset]

MH
Just paying attention .
@ TinMan
sums it up nicely.    [on another note yah shuddah Gone fishin Too...

here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html.

Chet K

[ramset]

MH
I know you think I'm silly

But when I sit and ponder that I live on a giant magnet  with Lightning Bolts flying all around me and a sun pumping 1 KW per square meter onto the Mix ...
and then I read things live this

MH
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For starters, you can't forget that almost all of our electrical power at one stage in its generation comes from brute force mechanical power.  Just bloody brute force mechanical power, very unglamorous, like some giant ox turning a wheel.
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and I read that and I feel silly to think there is not a much much simpler way.

since the dawn of flight and power generation [in modern times]
Flight has gone from Kites and toes running along the beach ..to Pluto and beyond..

And Power generation [in the same time line] at 100 plus  year old Niagra power plant ??
just open the door  at Niagra and have a look ...Ox tied to wheels...

Yes I do feel quite silly