Dynamic spiral motor animation.

[Gregory]

Hi Dingus,

About the belt-type idea... In my opinion it's not the same as the others, principally different, and I don't like it too much. Mechanics plays a role in these things, and mechanically & phisically this belt thing works very different, results with different forces.

I've tested some devices, and they used similar principles (more vs. less, etc.), in fact they didn't work.
From my little experience I think this belt-type thing won't work.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I wanted to tell my observation for you.

Good luck for your experiments!

[Dingus Mungus]

Hi,
the second animation:
spiralmotordemo.gif

is exactly the way the Paul Sprain motor works.

Search for
Sprain
in the search box and you will find it.
This method works !

Actually the "sprain motor" has its stator magnetics working in a attraction state (runs oppisite of the my example) and therefore can not take advantage of the configuration I used. I'm excited to hear the spain motor has achieved overunity. Has there been any attemps to close the loop yet? If we look at history many major discoveries in technology were achieved in seval places within a couple decades of each other. I honestly believe that overunity is in that phase now.  The inspiration behind my design was the work of Dr Minato.

As for the mim's (Magnetic Instability Motor) similarities to the torbay motor, I dont fully grasp how the torbay motors armature magnets are configured yet but I do know it uses a escapement channel for the stators like my design, allowing a stator magnets to escape the flux ring vertically rather then outward. I will do some more research on torbays motor this week.

But I must repeat that my design of the spiral motor is very different in two respects, the stator magnets of my design are in repultion mode and the EM used in my design uses 1/2 the power. The EM in the sprain design must be equal in power to each of the stator magnets or the armature magent would have no desire to pass the sticky point. Those of you with magnet collections, expirement with 3 magnets, 2 large cylinders and one smaller magnet of any geometry. You can get the two large magnets to face each other in repultion by placing the smaller magnet in attraction between them. With this in mind a EM field could be used in the same method. I'm excited to get all the great replies and look forward to further discussing much more about magnetic motors with all of you.

[Dingus Mungus]

I've tested some devices, and they used similar principles (more vs. less, etc.), in fact they didn't work.

Thanks for the heads up, but I'm still curious to test if enough magnets in the repultion path can drag a single magnet though the cog point. If indeed 10+ magnets in the path can not drag the last magnet through I'm curious as to the watts required to complete the work and the distance the armature cart will travel. Hopefully in the next year I'll have the time and money to built one of many variations of a repultion driven magnetic motor.

[Gregory]

if enough magnets in the repultion path can drag a single magnet though the cog point.

Hi,
I also believe, that in a clever configuration they can. But the problem is not only a mathematic problem, with numbers and positions. The real problem is, that you have to work with magnetic fields, not with only magnets. And all the fields are react each other continously, (change shape), and many times this interaction results in lower torque. And this is what you need, torque to go through the lock point.
Also important how your device transfer the force to the axle. What are the angles of the froces acting on the axle? This is why I think (from my experiments), that your belt type idea is not as good as the first, or the second one. In your first idea you don't need to go through the sticky spot.

Keep in mind you need to work with fields and magnets, not only with magnets and maths.
Anyway, I wish you all the bests, and good experimenting.

Regards,
Greg

[Dingus Mungus]

your belt type idea is not as good as the first, or the second one.

Very true... Thank you very much for all the constructive critizism and interest. Unfortunately I probably wont have the money to build a prototype of the mim for many decades. (if ever  ) But for now I'll focus more onwheel based repultion designs. I got a new one to show but I dont know if I should just post it in this thread  or if I should make a new thread for each idea. (I dont wanna flood the "Half Baked Ideas" folder)

Oh well for now here is something new to pour over...