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[poynt99]

Brad,

Great experiment, but I don't think you've proven the E field isn't responsible for inducing the emf.

Unfortunately it seems you did not carefully read everything I've been saying. I know there has been a lot to absorb, but you have missed one very important fact that I talked about in detail.

In summary, yes the E field varies in strength as one moves from the center to outside the coil, but the total loop integral of that E field at any radius from the center will always produce the same total, and hence the same induced emf (assuming the same number of turns in the coil at any one radius).

So the plot of the strength of the E field is obtained by taking a measurement at a single point in space at a particular radius from the center. The loop integral is essentially exactly what it says, you move around that radius and accumulate all the E field points in that path. So the E field is essentially one single point measurement multiplied by 2PIr. Therefore, at any value r, the loop integral is the same; as you go outward for example, the single point measurement decreases, but 2PIr is greater and therefore the result is equal to one with a lesser value r.

[tinman]

Brad,

Great experiment, but I don't think you've proven the E field isn't responsible for inducing the emf.

Unfortunately it seems you did not carefully read everything I've been saying. I know there has been a lot to absorb, but you have missed one very important fact that I talked about in detail.

In summary, yes the E field varies in strength as one moves from the center to outside the coil, but the total loop integral of that E field at any radius from the center will always produce the same total, and hence the same induced emf (assuming the same number of turns in the coil at any one radius).

So the plot of the strength of the E field is obtained by taking a measurement at a single point in space at a particular radius from the center. The loop integral is essentially exactly what it says, you move around that radius and accumulate all the E field points in that path. So the E field is essentially one single point measurement multiplied by 2PIr. Therefore, at any value r, the loop integral is the same; as you go outward for example, the single point measurement decreases, but 2PIr is greater and therefore the result is equal to one with a lesser value r.

No,i did take that into account Poynt.
But as you also said,-although the E field gets weaker as you travel out from the core,you also have a larger field and more wire immersed in that field-so the induced EMF should be the same.

Here we have twice as much wire covering 3 times the area than that of the inner secondary,but the inner secondary puts out nearly twice that of the outer secondary for a given P/in.
So it cant be just dismissed that easily.

Do you know of anyone else that has constructed a toroid transformer,and carried out test like this ?.

[poynt99]

Maybe you could draw the cross section of your coil.

It sounds as though you have changed the parameters of a standard transformer quite a bit. When you do that you should expect that there may be differences, and it is not logical to assume that everything remains constant. For example, you may have more total flux in the inner secondary.

If you change the parameters, you can expect the results may change as well. Agreed?

I don't understand why you guys just don't do the most simple experiment possible, i.e. wind a coil on a standard high permeability toroid core, energize it with a DC current, and use a Hall meter to snoop around the coil to see if and how much B field can be detected? Then you will now without a doubt if the B field is contained within the core, or not.

[tinman]

Maybe you could draw the cross section of your coil.

It sounds as though you have changed the parameters of a standard transformer quite a bit. When you do that you should expect that there may be differences, and it is not logical to assume that everything remains constant. For example, you may have more total flux in the inner secondary.

If you change the parameters, you can expect the results may change as well. Agreed?

I don't understand why you guys just don't do the most simple experiment possible, i.e. wind a coil on a standard high permeability toroid core, energize it with a DC current, and use a Hall meter to snoop around the coil to see if and how much B field can be detected? Then you will now without a doubt if the B field is contained within the core, or not.

Do we have a sensor that can detect only an E field as well,so as we can see if it is only an E field that surrounds the core. What about a low voltage neon?,as it is suppose to be the E field that lights them up when placed next to a slayer tower-or the like's of.

[John.K1]

Hi Guys, sorry I jump in your discussion, but have you anybody watched video- Graham Gunderson's seminar about Phase Flux Transformer?  It was on the Youtube before and can't find it now. Interesting is the equation you can see on the white board on the picture below. Three components - E field, Magnetic field and Magnetic vector Potential.  And Magnet vector potential is something I miss anybody to talk about here.  Just some thoughts.