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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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tinman

Quote from: webby1 on October 24, 2015, 07:21:59 AM
Interesting MH,, Einstein called that velocity C,, but I guess you are saying that it is nonsense,, so I guess it must be so.

As well as,, it is in the rate of change in flux density,, rate of change,, a velocity,, go figure.

MH finds it hard to understand or work out things when they differ from said book's.
The facts are
1-when you wish to increase the voltage across an inductor/generator coil,the speed(velocity) of the changing magnetic field must increase.
2-If you wish to increase the current available from said inductor/generator coil,the field/flux strength through the core must increase.
Thus,the increase in both the rate of change over time,and the increase of field strength result's in a higher available power output from that inductor/generating coil.

I find MH's last two post to be absolute nonsense.
I also see that he fails to see how this can !and is! applied to the HTT.

poynt99

The "velocity" of flux movement through a material is relatively constant.

The "rate of change" of the flux is what partly determines the induced E field and hence induced emf.

The terms "velocity" and "rate of change" are no where near equal, and should not be confused.

If anything, "rate of change" might be equated with "acceleration", but certainly not "velocity".
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tinman

Quote from: MileHigh on October 24, 2015, 05:48:38 AM
Where, pray tell, are you getting these ideas from?  I suspect that you are inventing them out of thin air and they are your own personal attempt to explain and rationalize what you are doing and what you are observing.  That won't work.

There is no such thing as "flux velocity" and your entire subsequent argument and explanation for what you are observing that falls out of that false notion is nonsense.  There is no point in trying to reinvent the wheel and put your own spin on it.

Try looking and studying these three videos to form a foundation for your understanding.  This is my favourite teacher about this stuff on YouTube and all of his videos are worth looking at.  If basic calculus is a hurdle that you need to get over to understand what he is saying then my suggestion is to not be shy and ask away.  I am sure somebody can help.  You can also just Google integrals and derivatives on your own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0SRan7UW6k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVrwNIWlbcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXmv2d1OeU4

Your comments are like some kind of a cargo cult of magnetism.  It's just not the way to go.

Really MH.
Then please feel free to explain the 200% voltage gain from the inner secondary to that of the primary in a 1:1 turn ratio transformer where ES/EP is suppose to = NS/NP ?. This we can confirm with the outer secondary,where the turn ratio to the primary is also 1:1,and where in this case ES/EP is = to NS/NP.

You must also take into account that actual secondary voltages will be slightly less than actual theoretical transformation ratios,as we do not have,nor is there such a thing as an ideal transformer. In fact,my HTT is far from ideal,but still the voltage output from the INNER secondary is 200% of that of both the voltage provided to the primary,and the voltage across the outer secondary.

Your books and theories do not apply with the HTT,as the HTT is far from any standard transformer configuration. Magnetic flux through a core dose indeed have a velocity,and i am at a loss as to how you consider this to be nonsense ???.

MileHigh

Quote from: tinman on October 24, 2015, 10:09:35 AM
MH finds it hard to understand or work out things when they differ from said book's.
The facts are
1-when you wish to increase the voltage across an inductor/generator coil,the speed(velocity) of the changing magnetic field must increase.
2-If you wish to increase the current available from said inductor/generator coil,the field/flux strength through the core must increase.
Thus,the increase in both the rate of change over time,and the increase of field strength result's in a higher available power output from that inductor/generating coil.

I find MH's last two post to be absolute nonsense.
I also see that he fails to see how this can !and is! applied to the HTT.

No, your post was nonsense.  You are trying to backpedal and claim, "Oh I said velocity but I really meant the rate of change of magnetic flux."  Or at least it seems like that.  It's tiring to have to use a "descrambler" but in this case I think you are just "making up junk" to "explain" what you think is happening.  Even if you think your explanation sounds right, it's actually junk.

The challenge for you is to express yourself properly in the language of magnetics and electronics.  Your explanation was pure pie-in-the-sky.  Likewise, your claim that your project is somehow nonstandard such that it can't be explained by what you find in books is pure bunk.  I have said this before about many claims you see around here:  The toroid is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing in a 100% standard way.  You need to figure that out for yourself and explain it to your peers using conventional electronics language.  Don't fall into the trap of making the wild assumption that you have something that "science can't understand because it's not in books."  You are the one that at this point in time is not understanding what your device is doing.  There is no reason that you can't figure it out for yourself if you work at it.

You have a device that is characterized by voltages, currents, magnetic flux flows and rates of change of magnetic flux.   There is no reason that you can't take all of that information and analyze it and figure out exactly how it functions without falling into the "not in books" trap.  "Not in books" is just an escape clause for not having to figure out how it actually works.

MileHigh

Quote from: tinman on October 24, 2015, 11:03:09 AM
Then please feel free to explain the 200% voltage gain from the inner secondary to that of the primary in a 1:1 turn ratio transformer

Your books and theories do not apply with the HTT

Magnetic flux through a core dose indeed have a velocity

It's clearly not a 1:1 turn ratio transformer.  This has been discussed many times.  Several ideas and suggestions have been floated about the observed voltages.  You have the device, and it's incumbent upon you to figure out the true reason and explain it using conventional terminology.

The books and theories apply 100% to the HTT.  You are just saying that because you want to believe it but you have no evidence for that.  That's a fail that you need to stop making.

No, there is no such thing as referring to magnetic flux through a core as having a "velocity."