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Mutual respect, prejudice, safety, and personal responsibility

Started by MileHigh, February 13, 2015, 10:22:37 PM

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sarkeizen

Quote from: Jimboot on February 17, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
Please explain to me the difference then.

You are being so pretentious
You are being such a shill
This has been explained a few times.  Saying someone is "a shill" is, in English a PERSON who is promoting something because they are paid or as if they are paid. Hence it is virtually always about a person - the notable exception is when it is being used as a verb.  Which is not the case in your example or in most of the uses I've seen here.  So it is difficult to create a phrase where it is not an attack on a person.  Whereas "pretentious" isn't a person.  An advertisement can be pretentious an advertisement can not be a shill (An advertisement can be said "to shill" or perhaps it can be "shilling").  A PERSON can be a shill who manifests this by advertising something.  Similarly "playing dumb" isn't a person.  It's an action performed by a person.

Hence it's pretty obvious why someone would like to differentiate between some terms which are almost necessarily personal attacks and  terms which are not necessarily personal attacks.  Your desire not to see this is interesting.

Jimboot

Quote from: sarkeizen on February 18, 2015, 12:40:14 AM
This has been explained a few times.  Saying someone is "a shill" is, in English a PERSON who is promoting something because they are paid or as if they are paid. Hence it is virtually always about a person - the notable exception is when it is being used as a verb.  Which is not the case in your example or in most of the uses I've seen here.  So it is difficult to create a phrase where it is not an attack on a person.  Whereas "pretentious" isn't a person.  An advertisement can be pretentious an advertisement can not be a shill (An advertisement can be said "to shill" or perhaps it can be "shilling").  A PERSON can be a shill who manifests this by advertising something.  Similarly "playing dumb" isn't a person.  It's an action performed by a person.

Hence it's pretty obvious why someone would like to differentiate between some terms which are almost necessarily personal attacks and  terms which are not necessarily personal attacks.  Your desire not to see this is interesting.


Yeah I don't think English is your first language. No offence.

Qwert

Quote from: Jimboot on February 18, 2015, 12:50:14 AM

Yeah I don't think English is your first language. No offence.

Believe it or not, most of those whose English is their first language, they can't express themselves WRITING in English (more or less, they are unable to do so and reasons of that are numerous).
My English IS NOT my first one and I am aware that I make errors in that (my original) one. And I can't help for that.

sarkeizen

Quote from: Jimboot on February 18, 2015, 12:50:14 AM
Yeah I don't think English is your first language.
Actually it is.

Not only that but don't you think it's interesting that I can be pretty specific about what and where you are incorrect and you only seem able to ignore and make broad generalizations.

A personal attack, is pretty universally meant to be an attack on the person not as a description of something they are doing or saying.

Jimboot

Quote from: sarkeizen on February 18, 2015, 07:03:22 AM
Actually it is.

Not only that but don't you think it's interesting that I can be pretty specific about what and where you are incorrect and you only seem able to ignore and make broad generalizations.

A personal attack, is pretty universally meant to be an attack on the person not as a description of something they are doing or saying.
Well you're deliberately ignoring context then and no I don't find it interesting. My original argument was simple. Treat people how you want to be treated, especially in a thread where you're asking people to be nice probably a good idea to call people names. pretty simple age old concept.