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Overunity motor, part3, all 4 recharging bats reading at 1.400 volts now.

Started by stevensrd1, March 17, 2015, 08:44:46 AM

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Floor

@ M.H. and M.E.

S. S. D. D.

Trampling some one's topic again ?
Tried starting your own ? didn't pan out ?
Ganging up as well ?

Are you guys really are trying to take down the forum, or what?
Dominate a topic untill the actual point being investigated is lost / misdirected / distorted

Paid to do so?
Being extorted ?
saviours of the misguided ?
other ?

please explain.

            bad form old chaps

MarkE

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 19, 2015, 08:59:03 PM
@ MileHigh

if you don't understand how the resonance effects the charging / discharging of a ceramic ferromagnetic core, air-cores, or other such inductive coupling effects, why are you arguing against such action?
I'm not here to argue back and forth about silly misconceptions.
There are thousands of references to this, I can only read through so many, but
don't take my word for it, see what others far beyond the scope of my knowledge have to say
[Now - some of this is applied to "wireless transmission", but for all intensive purposes, the transformers we are discussing use an inductive coupling and there is no direct electrical connection, so the information applies to both Tesla and JT.]

Here's what some of the best universities and institutions on the face of our planet have to say on the issue.

http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/45429/317879200.pdf
http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs-wm/26759.pdf
http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1182&context=eeng_fac

This discusses fluorescent lamp ballasts, so the circuitry is double to accommodate bi-directional current from an A/C signal
but the same applies to a simplified circuit
http://ecee.colorado.edu/copec/paper_archives/designofresonant_may2007.pdf

This one is a long read, mostly talking about applications specific to their device, but Chapter 4 has a nice explanation pertinent to our discussion
http://www.ksp.kit.edu/download/1000036098

here is a rep from Microchip Technologies, discussing the process in an edition of Power Electronics magazine
http://powerelectronics.com/regulators/llc-resonant-converters-increase-efficiency-dc-dc-applications

http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers    - the remnants of Caledonia one of the biggest players in the transformer field since 1940


http://www.raftabtronics.com/TECHNOLOGY/ElectromagneticBasics/TransformerBasics/tabid/110/Default.aspx#Resonant_transformers  - a TI device, that maximizes efficiency using the principle

and i'll even throw another wiki link in here for shits and giggles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling
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NOW - let's tie this information back into the topic at hand, and learn how the energy that is not destroyed by our self-induced obliviousness, can be conserved in our circuitry.

here is a commercially available device that does just that
http://peakenergytech.com/products/  but how does it work?
This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate.
   The remaining electricity is then cycled back through the loop, to be further used by the devices in your home.
parallel capacitors and/or batteries are used in a manner almost identical to the set-up shown in the battery recharging video, modified for 60Hz A/C


An inventor in Jamaica has a similar thing going on
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/environment/RECYCLING-waste-electricity
There are lots of resonant circuits used in this world.  Middlebrook and Cuk literally wrote the book on resonant power converters back around 1980.  The archetypical JT circuit does not have a resonant tank.

Your other idea that there is energy to reclaim after powering a circuit branch is utter nonsense.    The Peak Energy device is a power factor corrector.  Power factor correctors are good for reducing losses in wires between the utility and one's home by bringing apparent power down much closer to real power.  But since anyone living in a residence that uses a traditional analog power meter is billed only for real power, a PFC does not reduce their power bill.  Utilities would like to bill residences for apparent power,  or surcharge for poor power factors but presently are not allowed to do so.

The Jamaica Observer article is terrible.  It conflates a power factor corrector with energy reclamation mechanisms.  PFC's do not reclaim power.  They reduce the energy stored each cycle.  That may seem ironic as they use energy storage devices:  capacitors, but that is the truth.  A very inductive load's current lags the line voltage by nearly 90 degrees.  A capacitor matched to the load inductance at mains frequency attached in parallel to the inductive load stores and releases energy in a complementary fashion to the inductor, so that the net energy supplied and released between the LC network and the utility each cycle goes way down, and what the utility ends up seeing is an apparent much more resistive load.

MarkE

Quote from: MileHigh on March 19, 2015, 10:44:29 PM
Sm0ky2:

Some follow-up comments on this:

http://peakenergytech.com/products/

Only in the picture does the label state that it is a power factor correction unit.  They don't state that on the web page, which is why I trashed it at first.  I don't know much about power factor correction units for the home or industry, so I can't really comment much.  It may or may not be legit.  However, the web page is pure BS as far as I am concerned.  All that I can say is I have very rarely heard about the need for one in the home.  I know that computer power supplies are typically not power factor friendly but I suppose it depends on the model.

This critical thing to keep in mind is that a PFC correction unit operates within the timing of a single cycle of the AC mains power.  This statement by you, "This device is placed in the return path (-) side of the current flow, after the device has used what it needs to operate." is wrong.

I attached a picture of the device.  The wire gage going in the bottom of the box doesn't look right to me at all.  I am also suspicious about the UL label and I think it is lacking a proper registration number.  So this company's device doesn't smell right to me.

I am attaching a document about industrial power faction correction from Eaton, which is a 100% legit company for anyone that wants to do more research.

MileHigh
PFCs for residences with traditional analog electric meters are a waste of money.  Those traditional analog meters respond to real power which is almost entirely independent of power factor.  (PF affects the amount of heating in your homes wires.  If you have a power loss problem there you have a bigger problem in the form of a fire hazard.)  If one had a pool 1000' feet away from the power entry, then one would have a motivation to install a pump that has a power factor close to 1.0.  A PFC corrector located close to the pump if it is a single phase AC induction motor could help reduce the wire gauge required back to the electrical panel and save a few bucks.  But a much better solution is to use a variable frequency drive / motor combination which will both present a near 1.0 power factor to the wiring and also require typcically about 25% as much electricity as a pool pump driven by a single phase AC induction motor.


MarkE

Quote from: Floor on March 20, 2015, 01:29:22 AM
@ M.H. and M.E.

S. S. D. D.

Trampling some one's topic again ?
Tried starting your own ? didn't pan out ?
Ganging up as well ?

Are you guys really are trying to take down the forum, or what?
Dominate a topic untill the actual point being investigated is lost / misdirected / distorted

Paid to do so?
Being extorted ?
saviours of the misguided ?
other ?

please explain.

            bad form old chaps
Let me get this straight:  You object that sm0ky's BS claims are being challenged?  What is the benefit of unchallenged misinformation?  Shouldn't your exception be with sm0ky publishing misleading BS?

tinman

There needs be no inductive coupling in order for a JT like circuit to work well. The switching can be done with one inductor and the transistor itself-->no need for inductive coupling between the two inductors at all. You can also return the unused portion of current back to the source-->after it has passed through an LED and another !charge battery.

Here is a simple little circuit i called the cool joule-->works a treat.