The Fourth Fundamental Passive Circuit Element

gravityblock · March 05, 2016, 01:55:15 AM

Nink · March 05, 2016, 08:36:59 AM

Quote from: gravityblock on March 05, 2016, 01:23:05 AM
I asked for a reference for your assertion that DARPA doesn't believe they'll even reach 3200 Snyapses in 10 years, and your reply above is on DARPA's budget, scale-ability, etc. I never made the claim that DARPA is investing in memristors after the SyNAPSE project, so you asking for a reference is a red herring.

Yes you did but when you made that claim you didn't actually realize the funding had ended. Now you are trying to back away from that claim. DARPA has funded Memristors in the past but they do not currently fund memristors

Quote from: gravityblock on March 03, 2016, 11:27:43 PM
Most of the research in memristors in regards to AI is jointly funded by the SyNAPSE program (DARPA)

Moores law is agreed upon by all IT companies and still holds true today after 50 years. DARPA understands Moores Law hence the reason their projects span 5 to 10 years. The dependency for Moores law to be maintained is both time and money. DARPA is no longer investing in Memristors (and as a publicly funded organization if they were there would be a public record of that investment) and no one else is. except unemployed startups who waisted 10 years of their life on memristors are now begging for money to keep this obsolete, failed technology alive. Even HP who invented memristor abandon the project after DARPA ended the funding in 2015 and HP are now off working with SanDisk on a ReRAM variant. HP are playing up their investment in Memristors as being a contributor but their is actually no Memristor technology involved in the new SCM SanDisk is developing. All HP is bringing to the table is $.

So best case for memristors is Moores Law and thats 3200 Synapse per IC in 10 years but the probable case is the startups will get zero funding and the technology will go the way of bubble memory.

If you want a link to Moores law I suggest you try google. If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.

gravityblock · March 05, 2016, 02:24:53 PM

Quote from: Nink on March 05, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
Yes you did but when you made that claim you didn't actually realize the funding had ended. Now you are trying to back away from that claim. DARPA has funded Memristors in the past but they do not currently fund memristors

Moores law is agreed upon by all IT companies and still holds true today after 50 years. DARPA understands Moores Law hence the reason their projects span 5 to 10 years. The dependency for Moores law to be maintained is both time and money. DARPA is no longer investing in Memristors (and as a publicly funded organization if they were there would be a public record of that investment) and no one else is. except unemployed startups who waisted 10 years of their life on memristors are now begging for money to keep this obsolete, failed technology alive. Even HP who invented memristor abandon the project after DARPA ended the funding in 2015 and HP are now off working with SanDisk on a ReRAM variant. HP are playing up their investment in Memristors as being a contributor but their is actually no Memristor technology involved in the new SCM SanDisk is developing. All HP is bringing to the table is $.

So best case for memristors is Moores Law and thats 3200 Synapse per IC in 10 years but the probable case is the startups will get zero funding and the technology will go the way of bubble memory.

If you want a link to Moores law I suggest you try google. If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.

Memristors are necessary for a continuation of moores law. As Pavlus explains, memristors make it possible to combine storage and random-access memory. "The common metaphor of the CPU as a computer's 'brain' would become more accurate with memristors instead of transistors because the former actually work more like neurons—they transmit and encode information as well as store it," he writes. Memristors can transmit, encode, and store it by working more like neurons. Brains don't separate processor from memory, as we do with a CPU and RAM.

Knowm came right out of DARPA, and the co-creator of DARPA SyNAPSE founded Knowm. The co-creator of DARPA, Alex Nugent (Knowm), has been awarded government SBIR and STTR contracts to furter develop the techonology (reference article).

Knowm Inc. exists to fill a niche in the rapidly evolving technological landscape and lead the computing industry toward neuromemristive processors. The roots of Knowm Inc. were planted in 2002, when lead inventor Alex Nugent began patenting his ideas around adaptive computing architectures and founded an intellectual property holding company called KnowmTech. Initial seed funding for the endeavor was made possible by business woman and entrepreneur, Hillary Riggs. The portfolio now includes over 40 patents spanning memristive components and circuits all the way to large scale neuromorphic architectures. Alex Nugent co-created and advised the DARPA SyNAPSE program and more recently has been awarded government SBIR and STTR contracts to further develop the technology. In 2012, physicist, electrical engineer and software developer, Tim Molter, joined the effort to lead software development and further design chip architectures with Alex. This collaborative effort lead to the publication of the formal introduction to AHaH computing in early 2014: AHaH Computing–From Metastable Switches to Attractors to Machine Learning. More recently, Knowm has partnered with key experts in the field to further ramp up efforts on a path to commercialization. Collaborators include memristor fabrication pioneer Kris Campbell, Ph.D. from Boise State University and memristor circuit designer pioneer Dhireesha Kudithipudi, Ph.D. from Rochester Institute of Technology. Most recently, investor and consultant Sam Barakat has joined the team to help launch Knowm Inc.

Gravock

gravityblock · March 05, 2016, 02:40:58 PM

Quote from: Nink on March 05, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
If no one is investing in Memristors (including DARPA) then not even Moores law will be maintained.

As you can see in my previous post, memristors are currently being developed and commercialized by the co-creator of the DARPA SyNAPSE project through Knowm, thus the continuation of Moores law.

Gravcok

Nink · March 05, 2016, 02:43:30 PM

Exactly as I expected some out of work folks who lost their jobs after the DARPA project finished up and wasted 10 years of their life on memristors begging for money to continue the project on obsolete tech. Maybe you will prove me wrong in 10 years and they will find some suckers and burn through another $40M to reach 3200 Synapse by 2025 in accordance with Moores law but I highly doubt it.

By the way Alex Nugent actually received that money between in 2011 and 2013 and he burnt through 1.5M and has nothing to show for it.