Mechanical Resonance (Projects)

[wattsup]

@Magluvin

Regarding your video of the fork magnets, the way the pick up coil magnet is set-up as it moves in and out this is not creating the best change across the coil because the magnet is basically doing only a slight movement in and out and not actually sweeping across the inside of the coil far enough.

If the magnet first started with a non magnet material (red - see below) that reaches just before the center of the coil at rest and the magnet itself was only like a 25 cent piece, thin, then the copper atoms would actually have to follow that smaller magnet. Compare that to what you have now where the copper atoms don't have to follow much because the magnet is always there. That would explain why your are only outputting not even 1 volt.

Also, if the pickup coil was wound with multiple 2 turn coils then each could output immediately instead of having to fight their way through the obvious commotion that will result in trying to output all that is happening from only one line. You would probably output more with only a 2 turn coil then with all those winds.

Maybe to say it is better to remove that pickup coil and experiment with various pickup winds and you may stumble onto something much better.

wattsup

PS: Just curious. Did you try pulsing at 7.84Hz. Maybe the Shewman resonance would help rebias the pick up coil and show more output.

[wattsup]

@Magluvin

Just to expand a bit more on my previous post, because every little gadget has its own means to show effects, consider your previous build with what we could derive as both fork ends being almost or perfectly identical in weight and stroke and length, all that is really left to play with is mutual resonance. But what if the drive side was smaller and the pick up side was like the above diagram or a variation of this. The weights would be off. More weight and shorter stroke on the drive side and less weight and longer stoke on the pick up side. So now the drive side needs to find the pick up side resonance.

Also, since this is lower mechanical resonance, if you had the pickup side feeding a germanium dioded capacitor and a reed switch funneling that energy to the drive side, you can load the capacitor once with a battery and manually start the swing and see if it will run on its own. hahahahahahahahahaha
I know, always works so well in the mind.

Another variable to consider is the length of each fork. Who says they should be identical length. Is there an advantage to deploy some difference in fork length hence ductility to promote more leverage?

I just love little toys like this because they are so easy to work out in the mind. You can sit there and run variables in your mind for a few hours to figure out the best possible avenues to try before even doing anything further. It's such a treat for the mind.

I am presently doing boring AC tests with one car battery, two inverters running two scopes so both are floating from each other as well. Something is really funny in one of the effects that I will make a video soon and post it on @tinmans JT thread since it has been abandoned. hahahaha AC = Always Curious.

wattsup

[Magluvin]

Yes and I was aware of it quite well but did not want to go overboard with criticizing your setups.

In my opinion, there is no anomalous behavior to be had with hard ferromagnetics (even ceramic ones) but there is hope for soft ones. 
I was planning to remind you about it after you hit a dead end with magnets, without making discouraging statements ahead of that time.

No problem.  Im not going to remove posts that are intended to help. Only posts that intend to insult, or degrade what is going on in this thread.

Im a bit slow Id say when it comes to learning certain things. Ive spent a lot of time with this beyond what it looks like here so far. Hands on is much better than just reading about things. Hands on helps things stick in my mind better. So there are little details of this that I pick up that I could not read about and make conclusions or progress toward  conclusions. What Im talking about here is resonance itself. Ive known it exists for a long time. But there just isnt much out there that shows what we are going for here. So with what I have or can get, it is what I have to work with.

The reasoning for making this thread is something after all these years has become more apparent to me. The basic idea is to have a resonant device, some how, between the input and output. With what I have seen so far, I believe, or even to say, I know this is a good direction to go.

When Im finished with the mechanical, we will try to translate it into all electronic. Just a glimpse of what Im thinking is 2 transformers, an input transformer and an output transformer with a resonant circuit between them. Like a resonant pendulum between the transformers. Or it is just 1 transformer assy with the input and output coils with the resonant circuit. Im working on some tests on the side to have something to present in a new thread, when that time comes.

Went to a car show with my boss yesterday. Putting the other mag assy together here now. So Ill possibly have a vid in a little bit. 


Mags

[Magluvin]

@Magluvin

Regarding your video of the fork magnets, the way the pick up coil magnet is set-up as it moves in and out this is not creating the best change across the coil because the magnet is basically doing only a slight movement in and out and not actually sweeping across the inside of the coil far enough.

If the magnet first started with a non magnet material (red - see below) that reaches just before the center of the coil at rest and the magnet itself was only like a 25 cent piece, thin, then the copper atoms would actually have to follow that smaller magnet. Compare that to what you have now where the copper atoms don't have to follow much because the magnet is always there. That would explain why your are only outputting not even 1 volt.

Also, if the pickup coil was wound with multiple 2 turn coils then each could output immediately instead of having to fight their way through the obvious commotion that will result in trying to output all that is happening from only one line. You would probably output more with only a 2 turn coil then with all those winds.

Maybe to say it is better to remove that pickup coil and experiment with various pickup winds and you may stumble onto something much better.

wattsup

PS: Just curious. Did you try pulsing at 7.84Hz. Maybe the Shewman resonance would help rebias the pick up coil and show more output.

Hey Watts

The ones with the magnets poles on axis with the coil is fairly inefficient, yet the results in my mind are exciting. So the last pic of the plexi tube and small mags with poles out radially will have more dense flux cutting the windings perpendicular to the windings. The mags are the same width as the coil.  It will be together in a bit. So lets see what happens and if it improves the outcome from what we have seen so far.

I thought about different mass weight on each fork, but that changes the freq for each.

Havnt tried Shewman freq. What do you think might happen? Would it be earth polar directional? Is it a radial signal from the earth, like up and down? Let me know some details as such and we can try some things.

Mags

[Magluvin]

@Magluvin

Just to expand a bit more on my previous post, because every little gadget has its own means to show effects, consider your previous build with what we could derive as both fork ends being almost or perfectly identical in weight and stroke and length, all that is really left to play with is mutual resonance. But what if the drive side was smaller and the pick up side was like the above diagram or a variation of this. The weights would be off. More weight and shorter stroke on the drive side and less weight and longer stoke on the pick up side. So now the drive side needs to find the pick up side resonance.

Also, since this is lower mechanical resonance, if you had the pickup side feeding a germanium dioded capacitor and a reed switch funneling that energy to the drive side, you can load the capacitor once with a battery and manually start the swing and see if it will run on its own. hahahahahahahahahaha
I know, always works so well in the mind.

Another variable to consider is the length of each fork. Who says they should be identical length. Is there an advantage to deploy some difference in fork length hence ductility to promote more leverage?

I just love little toys like this because they are so easy to work out in the mind. You can sit there and run variables in your mind for a few hours to figure out the best possible avenues to try before even doing anything further. It's such a treat for the mind.

I am presently doing boring AC tests with one car battery, two inverters running two scopes so both are floating from each other as well. Something is really funny in one of the effects that I will make a video soon and post it on @tinmans JT thread since it has been abandoned. hahahaha AC = Always Curious.

wattsup

"Also, since this is lower mechanical resonance, if you had the pickup side feeding a germanium dioded capacitor and a reed switch funneling that energy to the drive side, you can load the capacitor once with a battery and manually start the swing and see if it will run on its own. hahahahahahahahahaha
I know, always works so well in the mind."

   I had thought of that early on possibly using a JT to conv to a higher voltage in the discharge cap. So the reed would be activated at near peak throw and discharge into a coil to pull the pen a bit further from its reed activation point. or the Tesla igniter pat circuit.


"I am presently doing boring AC tests with one car battery, two inverters running two scopes so both are floating from each other as well. Something is really funny in one of the effects that I will make a video soon and post it on @tinmans JT thread since it has been abandoned. hahahaha AC = Always Curious."

Would be interesting to see.

Mags