MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[SeaMonkey]

Tell us, when is the new projected date for The End of the World?  When are all the Dark Forces going to be revealed?  What are you going to do?  Do you have a remote cottage and three tons of spam in your cellar?

Considering the direction our World is presently moving in
(or being pushed in) that is a really good question Miles.

The Prophecies do not reveal any particular date for "The
End" of the World as we know it, but rather, provide details
of significant events to occur which will indicate that it is
near.  Certain of the events will prevail for a fairly short period
of time as a prelude to the Main Event to alert those who are
watching for it.

The Revealing of the "dark secrets" is already underway and
will intensify in the coming months and years.  As you've no
doubt noticed, the investigation into 9/11 is still ongoing and
more and more people are paying attention to the discrepancies
in the "Official Story."  In due time the complete Truth regarding
that event and numerous others, including names, will be made
public.

I am going to continue studying and watching.  At a critical time
a path to safety will be revealed to all peoples of good will.  No
other physical preparations are necessary beyond continuing to
embrace Truth and Goodness while eschewing badness.

Nope no cottage with tons of Spam, although I am a fan of home
cooked Spammus Alabamus with eggs over easy.  Just taking it one
day at a time in anticipation of the very bad times yet to come soon.

May peace be with you.

[tinman]

Gadzooks!

Could this be the Pot calling the Kettle Black?

You are aware of the character trait which applies to the
Nom de Guerre who sanctimoniously accuses others of
the odd behaviors which he himself takes pleasure in?

Miles!  Are you losing your marbles?

H _ p _ c _ i _ y

Yes,that is MH.
The one thing that stands out most,is that he is here-on overunity.com
A forum dedicated to a subject his books do not allow for. He refutes every claim of any claimed OU device before he even takes the time to look and see if it has any merritt--the big''rubbish'' button is hit automatically.
One has to wonder why he is actually here-on a forum that researches something he dose not believe in.
It has become apparent that he strives on arguments,and he has found many here on this forum--and boy dose he have a tanty when he looses,and is proven wrong--all sorts of fowl language starts coming out then.

He will tell you straight up,that magnets can do no useful  work,but has no idea as to what a magnetic field even is. Thank god there is one around the earth,keeping those nasty radiations away from us--I'd  call that pretty useful.

Mh got quite the shock when i plotted his circuits current trace correctly-well as far as he is concerned. Guess he under estimated my skills again. But do you see how he comes after you-and keeps coming at you until you agree with him. Well he will be quite busy if he thinks i am going to say i agree with him ,just because he has an urge  to be correct,and have everyone agree with him--not going to happen.

Anyway-he is best ignored,and dont take his insults to heart SeaMonkey.
He's just like a bad headache,and will go away soon enough.

Brad

[MileHigh]

Sorry Brad, but that alternative BS strategy you are taking is not going to work.

I posted the integral version of the equation for a coil and said that it was the short answer to the first question and you went nuts and acted like a fool.  It was a morally bankrupt double-standard because we know you would never do that for anybody else.  And you won't even own up to it.

It has taken about 45 thread pages to try to help you help yourself and answer a very very simple electronics question and you still are not there and you still don't really understand what is going on.  Instead you withdrew and fell silent.

You want to prove me wrong?  I attached Poynt's graphic that answers the question.  Go ahead and using that graphic answer the first question with a full written description in your own words of what is taking place on that graph without using any formulas at all.  Then correct yourself and explain why my answer to the second question below is actually correct, and not wrong like you originally stated.

Here is the second question and the answer that I provided:

You have an ideal voltage source and an ideal coil of 5 Henrys.  At time t=0 seconds the coil connects to the ideal voltage source.  The voltage source waveform is 20*t^2.  So as the time t increases, the voltage increases proportional to the square of the time.

The question is what happens starting at t = 0

The answer:

The current through the ideal coil starts from zero at time t = 0 and then increases with this formula:  i = 1.33*t^3.

Time..........Voltage.........Current
0...............0.................0
1...............20...............1.33
5...............500.............166.67
10.............2000............1333.33
20.............8000............10666.67
50.............50000..........166666.7

Brad, you need to try to get up the learning curve such that you get to the point where you come back and acknowledge the answer given above is correct.

Are you at the point where you can fully explain Poynt's graph?   Can you answer the first question on a conceptual level in your own words without using any of the formulas that were given to you?

Are you at the point where you can explain why the answer to the second question is correct?

I am calling your bluff, and I would be happy to be proven wrong.

MileHigh

[verpies]

I bookmarked it a while ago

Unfortunately that posts refers to real coils (with series resistance) - not to ideal coils, where R=0  and  i(t)=t*V/L in which Tau does not appear at all.

Reading the other post reminded me of Franken Motor,, unlike the air core solenoid I used a soft iron core solenoid and allowed the core\coil to move through a virtual magnetic pole,

To do that motor well, the duty cycle of the energizing and recovery pulses has to be very low in order to keep the working pulse widths well below 1 Tau where the efficiency is high.  See the graph below:

Did you ever consider a force vs. displacement curve on a piece of a soft ferromagnetic material (not a magnet) attracted into an energized shorted air-core ideal inductor ?   ... and how that curve differs when the same is attracted by a permanent magnet?

[tinman]

Sorry Brad, but that alternative BS strategy you are taking is not going to work.

I posted the integral version of the equation for a coil and said that it was the short answer to the first question and you went nuts and acted like a fool.  It was a morally bankrupt double-standard because we know you would never do that for anybody else.  And you won't even own up to it.

It has taken about 45 thread pages to try to help you help yourself and answer a very very simple electronics question and you still are not there and you still don't really understand what is going on.  Instead you withdrew and fell silent.

You want to prove me wrong?  I attached Poynt's graphic that answers the question.  Go ahead and using that graphic answer the first question with a full written description in your own words of what is taking place on that graph without using any formulas at all.  Then correct yourself and explain why my answer to the second question below is actually correct, and not wrong like you originally stated.

Here is the second question and the answer that I provided:



Are you at the point where you can explain why the answer to the second question is correct?

I am calling your bluff, and I would be happy to be proven wrong.

MileHigh

Im calling your bluff--take me up on my challenge.
Take all that useful information you believe in,and put it to work in a real world device-->a simple pulse motor,or JT-->im even giving you the choice as to which one you would prefer.
How hard can it be for you to make just one experimental device--->just 1.

For years and years this forum have been enduring all of your insults toward others,and your relentless pursuit of other members,until they give in to you,and accept your answer as the only one.

Well time for you to put your hands to work,and show us all that your ramblings have some firm ground upon which you claim. Time for you to show us that the books have all the answers,and that you can outdo me any time you wish.

Are you at the point where you can fully explain Poynt's graph?   Can you answer the first question on a conceptual level in your own words without using any of the formulas that were given to you

Im not sure if you are aware of this MH,but formula's are given to everyone--even you. Is that not how you learned?. So i must ask,what do you hope to gain when you say!! formulas given to you!!?,when it is the very same way you learned what you know.
Anything i need to know can be found on the net. Everything i need to confirm,can be confirmed on my bench--something you do not do.
What you see in book's,and what reality is,is two very different things.

You have much to learn,and you will not do that by looking in your book's.
Lets take your JT circuit,where you say the most efficient JT circuit is your generic circuit,where the LED is across the collector/emitter. I try and tell you that it is more efficient to have the LED across the coil directly,so as to eliminate the internal resistive losses of the battery,,and you say rubbish.

There is the bench winning over the book's right there MH,as i have tested both circuit's,and the one with the LED across the coil wins hands down. Even though i gave you a valid explanation as to why it is more efficient to have the LED across the coil it self,you still insist you are right,and myself(along with many others that tried to tell you the same thing)are wrong.

In post 600,i called a truce MH,and that we would have to agree to disagree.
But in post 570,you started your bullshit again---Brad must agree with me,or he is wrong.

You have serious issues you need to work out MH.

Brad never believes anyone that cannot (ever) back up what he says with experimental proof--thats you MH.


Brad