MH's ideal coil and voltage question

[MileHigh]

Brad:

I know that you don't realize this but we are in black comedy territory now.

As i said,your flywheel and angular velocity analogy was very limited,and poor at best,as there dose not have to be motion for a torque to exist.

Post 967--Quote: Here is what an ideal torque would be:  A system that applies the same torque to the spinning flywheel regardless of the angular velocity of the flywheel.
Your own words MH--not mine.

Yes indeed, and any angular velocity can mean an angular velocity of zero.  In other words, applying torque to an object that is not in motion.

Quoting myself in response to your foolish comments:  More importantly, I never said that there had to be angular momentum for there to be torque applied to an object.  You are falsely trying to put words into my mouth.  Likewise, I never stated that torque only applies to things in motion.  One more time, you are falsely trying to put words into my mouth.

My words indeed.

Let's look at the definition of an ideal voltage source:  A voltage source that will maintain the same voltage regardless of the amount of current that it sources or sinks.  Now, I would assume that you would agree with that definition, correct?  Look at the attached chart and look at the force-voltage analogy.

You can see how voltage corresponds to force, or in our case since we are talking about a rotational system, torque.  You can see how current corresponds to velocity, or in our case since we are talking about a rotational system, angular velocity. ---->  Voltage = torque,  current = angular velocity.

Now Brad, let's summarize:

Definition of an ideal voltage source:  A voltage source that will maintain the same voltage regardless of the amount of current that it sources or sinks.

My definition for an ideal torque source:  A system that applies the same torque to the spinning flywheel regardless of the angular velocity of the flywheel.

Your first definition for an ideal torque source:  An ideal torque is an ideal twisting force,or the application of an ideal energy source-the very same as your ideal voltage source MH.

Your second definition for an ideal torque source:  I have provided the definition of an ideal torque,where torque is the application of energy to a system or object,and where that energy is ideal-->an ideal torque is an ideal energy source. An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value,regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque.

Sorry, but when it came to defining an ideal torque source, you were lost and clueless.  Hence the black comedy in your previous posting.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

There is no point in trying to teach you anything MH,as you are to far gone.

Brad

It was a bloody turkey shoot Brad, a black comedy at the end as shown in the quote above.  You can have a good brain fry thinking about how you stuck to a bunch of untenable and totally incorrect positions like an automaton with the wrong programming wheel.  What's worse is when you finally come to the realization of how ridiculous your incorrect position about this resonance business is, you are going to have a super brain fry.

Believe me, many people reading also know the truth and they are aghast at reading some of the stuff that you have been posting.  Just take my example of deconstructing your inane definition of an ideal torque source as an example.  You entered into territory that I know quite well, and all you got out of it was a brain fry instead of trying to learn some good and practical stuff.

MileHigh

[tinman]

It was a bloody turkey shoot Brad, a black comedy at the end as shown in the quote above.  You can have a good brain fry thinking about how you stuck to a bunch of untenable and totally incorrect positions like an automaton with the wrong programming wheel.  What's worse is when you finally come to the realization of how ridiculous your incorrect position about this resonance business is, you are going to have a super brain fry.



MileHigh

Just take my example of deconstructing your inane definition of an ideal torque source as an example.  You entered into territory that I know quite well, and all you got out of it was a brain fry instead of trying to learn some good and practical stuff.

Well lets just have a look at each of our definitions of an ideal torque-shall we.

Your idea of an ideal torque
Quote: Here is what an ideal torque would be:  A system that applies the same torque to the spinning flywheel regardless of the angular velocity of the flywheel.

My idea of an ideal torque
Quote: An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value,regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque.

Now-who's model  covers all situations MH,and who's model covers only one example.
Did you even bother to read my definition MH?
You say it is absolute rubbish,but it is saying the very same thing as your definition MH-only mine covers all situation's,while your definition is very limited.

Lets look at each part of our examples.
Quote your definition-->A system that applies the same torque to the spinning flywheel
Quote me:                -->An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value.
I know your English is not so good MH,but they mean the very same thing.

Now the second part
Quote your definition--> regardless of the angular velocity of the flywheel
Quote me:                --> regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque
Once again,my definition covers your limited definition exactly,but where as my definition covers all situations an ideal torque could be place in,while yours only covers that of your flywheel example.

You entered into territory that I know quite well

Well,if you knew this territory quite well,you would have given a more accurate definition of an ideal torque,and not limit it to just angular momentum.
You would have also noticed that my definition is exactly the same as yours,only it covers the whole spectrum of situations an ideal torque could be placed in.

Believe me, many people reading also know the truth and they are aghast at reading some of the stuff that you have been posting.

Well if they didnt before-they do now.
They will see that your chicken dance is all for nothing,and that my definition of an ideal torque is exactly the same as yours,only where mine is not limited as your is.

Face the music MH,you provided a !limited! definition of an ideal torque,while i gave the complete definition of an ideal torque,where my definition is not limited to motion.

Lets look at the definitions again
Yours-->A system that applies the same torque to the spinning flywheel
Mine--->An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value-->applies the same torque

Yours-->regardless of the angular velocity of the flywheel
Mine--->regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque-->your spinning flywheel in this case.

I mean MH,it's preatty funny you should mock my definition,when it is the same as your--only without your limitations

Im not sure about you MH,but when i torque up flywheel bolts on a motor,the flywheel is not spinning


Perhaps you have learned another lesson here today?


Brad

[MileHigh]

No, we haven't learned anything new today.  We all know that you will defend any junk you say and try to twist it to make yourself appear to be "right."  You are never enough of a man to admit you are wrong because you have a psychological block.

You do not state that the ideal torque source will maintain the torque regardless of the rotational speed of the object that the torque is being applied to.  That is the critical piece of information that is missing and you cannot spin or backpedal out of that.  You are wrong - face it like a man.

You are simply not even putting sentences together that give a simple straightforward explanation.  As we have seen many times before, when you don't know what you are talking about you wander all over the map and offer up an awkward disjoint explanation that doesn't really make sense.  Sorry, there are no secret decoder rings allowed, you either get it or your don't.  And you didn't get it, nor could you offer up any appreciation for the true definition of the term that was clearly explained to you.

You just end up doing your usual BS song and dance when you are in a jam.

MileHigh

[tinman]

MileHigh

No, we haven't learned anything new today.  We all know that you will defend any junk you say and try to twist it to make yourself appear to be "right."  You are never enough of a man to admit you are wrong because you have a psychological block.

You are delusional MH,as you have just described your self.

You do not state that the ideal torque source will maintain the torque regardless of the rotational speed of the object that the torque is being applied to.  That is the critical piece of information that is missing and you cannot spin or backpedal out of that.  You are wrong - face it like a man.

Quote: An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value
Like i said--your delusional,and you need help.

You are simply not even putting sentences together that give a simple straightforward explanation

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Quote: An ideal torque will maintain it's chosen value,regardless of the opposition force placed upon this torque.

Seems you really do need some English lessons MH.

As we have seen many times before, when you don't know what you are talking about you wander all over the map and offer up an awkward disjoint explanation that doesn't really make sense.  Sorry, there are no secret decoder rings allowed, you either get it or your don't.  And you didn't get it, nor could you offer up any appreciation for the true definition of the term that was clearly explained to you.You just end up doing your usual BS song and dance when you are in a jam.

MH
When posting on a forum,try not to look in the mirror,as you get things all mixed up.
My definition of an ideal torque was the same as your,only not limited to motion such as yours.

Your goose was cooked once again--perhaps some time off from the forum would do you good.


Brad