Magnets, motion and measurement

[ayeaye]

All your posts about the Coulomb theory mean nothing if you can't demonstrate your theory.  And not to demean what you are doing but I really have no interest in the Coulomb theory or any other theory if it can't be demonstrated.

That there is no overunity in the Coulomb model, should be clear by itself. What experiments to do to show that, i don't know, too easy to do a magnet experiment that corresponds to the Coulomb model, and has no overunity. See the V-gate experiments, there are plenty of such experiments done, no need for me to do one more. You can do the simplest experiment though, make an object to fall, you will see that it takes the same work that falling gives, to rise the object to the same height again. This is because the Earth's gravitational field is spherical.

I have seen their measurements yes. Like they show that it takes very little energy to move two magnets near each other, but when they are near each other, one magnet starts to turn, and this gives much more energy than the moving took. And they think that this is overunity. No it is not. The same as moving two attracting magnets closer to each other takes very little energy, but when they attract, this generates much more energy.

People don't understand what overunity is. There are five conditions. Initial speed, no initial force, accelerating when going through the field, exiting the field, the speed when exiting the field is greater than the speed when entering. And all have to be there, for there to be overunity. One is missing, and there is no overunity. Even when all other requirements are completely satisfied.

[Floor]

@ eye eye

Not every one is an experimenter, I accept that and have no judgment upon those who's
talent / skill is else where.

Funny how we some times see what we expect to see rather than what is in front of our eyes.

You must not have looked at the drawings "strange 1, 2 and three" closely, maybe glossed over them .

While it is obvious that the two magnets will end up parallel and in a N to S and S to N attraction.

Did you not see, that the magnet poles which are nearest to one another,  in each quadrant, seemingly should compel those two magnets to rotate the opposite direction from which they do?


https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/msg543594/#msg543594

         regards
                 floor

[ayeaye]

You must not have looked at the drawings "strange 1, 2 and three" closely, maybe glossed over them .

You draw a Coulomb model of that setup, and you see that the magnet should rotate exactly how it does. How it looks like when you draw the magnets, is not the same how the fields look like. What the most causes the rotation there, may be the centers of the magnets, as the fields are strongest there.

Anyway, this setup corresponds to the Coulomb model, and there thus cannot be overunity.

Unless you see how the fields of the poles differ from spherical, can explain how this can cause different energy when rotating in different directions, and measure that the energy when rotating in different directions, is different. I cannot say that it certainly isn't, it may be, but you have not measured it, neither showed the fields of the magnets and explained how they may cause different energy.

Also, when moving it counter-clockwise, and then clockwise, the forces are the same. So moving like this very unlikely has overunity, for overunity the forces on different paths have to be different.

May be, when moving counter-clockwise 90 degrees, and then counter-clockwise 90 degrees again. Then how you see it, the sides of the magnets should repel in the right direction. I'm not sure whether this results in any overunity when seeing the actual fields, maybe, maybe not. This should be shown and measured.

[Floor]

@ eye eye

I'm not going to take the time again, to individually rebut your misrepresentations of what other posters have said in this topic nor the time to correct the misinterpretations you constantly make of the magnet interactions represented here in the topic.

You have contributed nothing to the topic which is of sufficient value to merit toleration of the dis-information / miss- information you have presented and the disruption you represent.

Your responses to the other posters are evasive, misdirecting, distortions of their original context.   
In short, off topic, topic misdirecting, belligerent and nay saying. It is not welcomed in here.

All of this, I have already said to you.

         floor

[ayeaye]

@ eye eye

I'm not going to take the time again, to individually rebut your misrepresentations of what other posters have said in this topic nor the time to correct the misinterpretations you constantly make of the magnet interactions represented here in the topic.

You have contributed nothing to the topic which is of sufficient value to merit toleration of the dis-information / miss- information you have presented and the disruption you represent.

Your responses to the other posters are evasive, misdirecting, distortions of their original context.   
In short, off topic, topic misdirecting, belligerent and nay saying. It is not welcomed in here.

All of this, I have already said to you.

         floor

Well Floor, please, you really ridiculed yourself with that post.